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V.com weekend vote: Have you ever received a noise complaint from a neighbor?
July 14, 2013 at 4:42 AM
"Excuse me, you've been playing that fiddle all day and night, would you STOP?"None of us wants to hear those words. Personally, I'm lucky enough to have thick walls and tolerant neighbors, knock on wood. But the stories I've heard! One friend, in answer to a lawsuit, had to take measurements of the decibels surrounding her dwelling, to prove that her viola playing didn't exceed city noise ordinances.
Just last week, the New York Post reported on an off-Broadway composer who is facing a $30,000 lawsuit from his neighbor in Central Park West, due to his persistent piano playing.
On the other side of it, the Civil Liberties Union won a lawsuit on behalf of a violinist whose playing exceeded noise limits for Ocean City, Maryland's Boardwalk. A judge ruled that the city could not enforce its noise ordinance, which said that music on the Boardwalk was not permitted if it was be audible beyond a 30-foot range.
Nonetheless, it's a problem we all face: how to be considerate but yet practice the amount we need to practice. Have you ever received a complaint, from a neighbor, roommate, hotel neighbor, etc.? Tell us your story!
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 6:15 AM
The Ocean City case surprised me. It's not that they wanted to silence an honest fiddler engaging in domestic practice; as I understand the case, this was about someone playing in a public area accompanied by a boom-box.
Was this man accompanied by a pathetic-looking scruffy dog ? Did he have a collection box ? Did he have a placard round his neck that read "HOMELESS" ??
Had the City Authorities framed their local regulations differently they could have easily silenced this violinist. The 30-foot audibility rule is a joke - that's no distance at all for the sound of a half-decently-played fiddle to carry since most concert halls are longer than that.
Back to the drawing board, City Fathers.
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 8:29 AM
When I travel and stay in hotels I always practise with a large rubber mute on the bridge. This seems to reduce the volume by about half.
I am currently having an electric violin (skeleton body/silent type) set up so that I can practise anytime and anywhere with headphones on. Being more robust it may become my travelling violin so it will not matter if it goes as checked baggage either.
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As do many people in Europe, we live in a condo where the walls seem to amplify sound rather than snuff it out. Our neighbor on the other side of the wall compained continuously about the piano so we tried to soundproof the wall and mute the piano, even by filling it with beach towels. Of course any practising was within regular hours.
One afternoon my daughter was practising her Debussy and the neighbor lady was heard uttering obcenities directed at my daughter. That was the final straw.
I called the lady's landlord (she was renting) and lodged a complaint of my own for the foul langauge directed to a minor. The landlord sided with us and kicked the lady out. We made an offer for the property on the other side of the wall and bought it, uniting the two condos and now we have the whole floor of the building to ourselves.
Haha! He who laughs last...
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 10:23 AM
Edit: As to David's post about a street violinist perhaps having "a pathetic-looking scruffy dog", I have never had the enterprise to go up to a beggar accompanied by such and say "I say, old chap; if you're begging, how do you afford a dog?"
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 10:39 AM
The have even called the police about my violin play and they have reduced it to two hours on four days a week within fixed hours...
I now teach all my students in their houses (which costs me a lot more hours traveling, but the advantage is that they make coffee for me :D).
I practice in my violin shop in the evenings and weekends.
Now I have a Volkswagen van which I have isolated and I drive to a place where not much people pass by, so I can also study in office hours.
It's absolutely not ideal and costs me a lot of effort carrying around my violin everywhere, but at least I can play somewhere whenever I want.
My (big?) dream is to have a music room, where I can play and teach day and night... of course with a nice antique bookcase for my sheet music and a grand piano (I don't know exactly why, maybe to put a glass of wine on during quartet rehearsals...)
I wish you all good luck with finding solutions to this problem and I wish for all musicians in the world that they can practice whenever they like... learning to play music is already hard enough as it is, isn't it?
Don't let anyone ruin your musical dreams, no matter on which level you play.
Have a nice Sunday!
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 12:14 PM
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My neighbors inside our unit (also known as family) are another matter entirely. It has been mentioned that continuous playing is a violation of the Geneva Convention for torture or something like that.
I do what I can to minimize the aggravation by playing with a heavy practice mute practically all the time, and with a mute on an electric violin when the former is still too loud or when I'm playing for longer periods.
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 12:38 PM
I also practice scales and exercises p or pp until she leaves for work in the morning. This has the added benefits of extra bow control work, and saving wear and tear on my own ears.
When I first moved here, the original owner downstairs, now departed, was on older lady that was deaf as a post. Her unhappy loss was my gain.
Posted on July 14, 2013 at 1:40 PM
When I moved to my new condo I specifically introduced myself to the neighbours and said that if my playing bothered them they should let me know before it got to the point of being a problem. (Pre-empting!) But actually the downstairs neighbours have a 13 yr old learning to pay violin and the upstairs neighbours have actually said they'd like it if I played more as they love fiddle music :-) I am very lucky and I know it.
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But once in a camping park (me and my parents camp on summer, and I just can't leave the violin for two whole weeks) one of our caravan neighbours got so mad he called the manager to make me stop (because, he said, when I was playing he couldn't concentrate at his computer... days later I found him happily scrolling down Facebook and I understood his need of total attention...) but the manager didn't care. As long as I keep in mind the time we are allowed to make noise, 9 am to 11 pm, no problems.
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This subject reminds me of the story that the pianist Lang Lang told. He was living in an apartment with his father, and his practice really upset the man downstairs. He still continued playing. However after a fight with his dad, Lang Lang stopped practising the piano. One day the neighbour visited Lang Lang and asked him why he had stopped playing the piano. The neighbour had found that the music was helping him overcome some illness. (It is a while since I read the book, it could have been depression.)
Really our music which we take for granted could be actually helping a neighbour.
Posted on July 15, 2013 at 1:10 AM
Might also be possible to line one's bedroom walls and ceiling with thick styrofoam or other insulating panels. A 4'x8' panel of rigid blown-foam insulation in 2" thickness will run about $30.
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I've usually been lucky, but I have a heavy duty rubber mute just in case. My main concern is that because I play the violin I feel I am in a bad position to complain to neighbours who play their stereos at top volume with throbbing bases that make my floor vibrate, and for much longer than I ever practice or in the middle of the night!
In Japan, in the 1970s, there was a case where someone actually committed murder because he was fed up with the neighbour's children's piano practice. Can't remember the details, but I think they are mentioned in Mari Yoshihara, Musicians from a Different Shore. Perhaps for this reason Yamaha has an extensive range of soundproof booths complete with air conditioning etc, for setting up in small Japanese houses. Don't know whether they sell them abroad as well.
Cheers,
Margaret
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In the past cops were called on me/us rehearsing for metal gigs but never when playing my violin.
Posted on July 15, 2013 at 3:24 PM
Many years ago, in a different building, there was a cute girl who lived one floor below me, and she would play the stereo loud in the early mornings, like 6.30 AM. That was before I got married, and yes she was cute, but the situation got old in a hurry.
I didn't want to make an issue, but sleep was a coveted commodity even back then, so one day I finally went downstairs and knocked on her door to politely make my point.
She answered, "But I don't have a stereo".
It turned out that in her bedroom (right below mine) she had a cheap clock radio which - maybe - had a 3W output. Thanks to the sound propagation qualities of those acoustically-calibrated bricks in my floor it sounded like a deluxe Bose in my own bedroom! Not kidding.
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