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V.com weekend vote: Can everyone learn?
Written by The Weekend Vote
Published: June 6, 2014 at 9:35 PM [UTC]
First, in this blog, I referred to Shinichi Suzuki's idea that every child has ability and can learn to play the violin, given the right environment. Suzuki's concepts (and remarkable success rate) have become more widespread and changed many people's ideas about the concept of "talent" -- the idea that talent is inborn for all people and simply needs cultivation.
Suzuki also promoted the idea that it helps to start very young, just as that helps in learning a language. But with teachers being more open to talent as educable and with the advent of the Internet, people have had greater success and encouragement in learning violin later in life.
So can everyone learn, truly? This was a question posted in this blog by Kate Little.
Some teachers embrace the idea, others don't. But is it true, that all people can learn, despite age or "talent"? What do you think?
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If the teacher and the student both believe that the student can and will learn, than the student will.
If either the teacher or the student believe that the student has inability to learn, than progress will be seriously retarded, and possibly not present at all.
Posted on June 7, 2014 at 6:05 AM
To Laurie's point about impressing teachers: teachers must give equal effort to inspire their students--which will drive them to further impress their teachers. This kind of positive feedback loop is at the heart of playing well, as it is a process in execution rather than a state of collected abilities.
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Ellis
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A recent Strad had an article about children with no arms and other physical challenges playing the Cello.
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In a previous enstrangement I had a cousin-in-law who was an elementary school teacher. Part of her degree required a music component, I think including the recorder. She claimed to be tone-deaf and they did not believer her. She was required to undergo testing.
She was able to convince the audiologist that she had no ability to distinguish pitch differences. Sad but true.
As sad as a cello player I knew who was hit by a car and lost her ability to taste anything. Though in her case she admitted to having been a fairly tasteless person most of her life.
Posted on June 7, 2014 at 6:51 PM
Efficiency of learning may vary based in natural aptitude, good teaching, and willingness to work at it.
What I would like to know though is, what do you do when someone IS working hard. .. and being taught well and thoughtfully and creatively (at least I'm sure trying! ) but still the pieces are just not coming together. As you might guess I have one of these right now and am at my wits end what to do with it and how to communicate to the parents about it. Maybe a separate post is in order, but I would love thoughts on this. ..
Posted on June 7, 2014 at 9:36 PM
That said, I believe anyone can benefit from the study of the violin.
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When I look at my students, there is a great variety in talent (lots of talent or less and different areas of talent).
When I look at the results they are getting, it’s really simple: the students who practice a lot and who have good quality of practice (which means they listen to themselves and practice efficient and effective), get greater results.
I’ve got averagely talented students who are hard workers and get good results. I’ve got students with a good ear, but play out of tune just because they don’t practice enough.
Talent without practice is nothing. Practice without talent can get you somewhere. Talent together with good practice is of course the best.
It’s most important that violin playing is important to you, touches you, is a way to relax and enjoy yourself and makes you a better happier person.
Posted on June 8, 2014 at 5:33 PM
are among the most difficult to master (whatever mastery means)... to what level one aspires to accomplish on the violin is commensurate with:
A) When one starts study. It is a proven fact that very few people (5% if that) who start studying the violin, viola or cello as adults will be able to attain a professional skill level. Still, with good teaching and careful practice, an adult beginner can learn and attain a gratifying experience. I have some adult students who are doing very well.
B) Poor or negligent teaching will produce poor string players, of any age. I have issues with 'teachers' who do nothing but 'teach'. The best teachers are those who keep up their performing chops.
Posted on June 8, 2014 at 5:57 PM
one learns the violin, viola, cello, bass is dependent, I think, on the following...
Starting age of student ... those who start as adults, are less likely to be able to attain a 'professional' skill level. And, there is no guarantee, even with the best teaching one who starts at an early age, 5 - 10 years of age, will attain a professional level. Many factors
are at play: Inborn talent, amount of (correct) practice,
etc.
Having said all that, I believe that 'passion' or the lack thereof, is a HUGE factor in how well one learns to
play the violin, or ANY instrument. You can teach technique, theory, etc... but you cannot teach or learn
'passion,
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Five percent? Really? Those sound like pretty good odds to me. Do 5% of children who start studying the violin, viola, or cello attain a professional skill level? From my experience having gone through a good school music program and watching my own children and their friends go through another one, I don't think that, for children, it hits even 0.5%.
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