Concerto Jumping? Kabalevsky-Haydn-Bruch

January 24, 2009 at 11:16 PM ·

My recollection of the Haydn is that it is enjoyable, but not really a step up from Kabalevsky technique-wise.  You might try the C Major one instead, or the 3rd Mozart concerto.  Bruch is a more significant jump, but I made that leap myself with a month of dedicated practice, so it's certainly possible.

January 24, 2009 at 11:29 PM ·

You know something... bizaare... my daughter did the exact same concerto in that same order. She is now working on the bruch.. and she loves it. I see nothing wrong with it.

January 25, 2009 at 01:58 AM ·

The Haydn in G is a concerto should probably be done next in your concerto sequence and absolutely before the Bruch. With the current suggestions out on the table I would go with Haydn G next then Mozart 3 in G, then Haydn in C (if you want to do that one) and then Bruch.

Just my thoughts, Hope

January 25, 2009 at 05:12 PM ·

I'm also doing the same thing.  I am now working on the Bruch and it seems like a reasonable next stretch from the Kabalevsky.  In some ways the Bruch seems more straightforward than the Kabalevsky and no horrendous key for the second movement. 

January 27, 2009 at 03:11 PM ·

My daughter loves the Bruch, but was not ready...so she was given a great book of double stops to work on, and learned the Accolay, then the Haydn G major...which is absolutely beautiful.  She also wants to learn the Bruch, but not quite yet (although she plays bunches of it by ear...unauthorized of course...)

January 27, 2009 at 05:15 PM ·

I think it's much more clear cut: can you execute all of the technical skills required to play the Bruch? There are scalar passages in thirds, octaves, and tenths, a variety of bow strokes, rapid slurred sections, etc.

January 27, 2009 at 11:34 PM ·

Greetings,

I always enjoy these discvussions about cocnertos and order and although I don`t disagree with the cmments it really isa much more complex issue that depends on the advice of the teacher,  leaving lists and unknown players /teachers as little more than useful (or sometimes not) generalizations.   It really does depend on the individual studnet and their specific needs at a given moment.  Just as an example,  my learning sequence at this age was Rode 7m  De Beriot 9 ,  Wieniawski 2 plus Campagnella and Scherzo Tarantella.  hat was the kind of shallow person I was and some say still am ;)!  My teacher kept me away from the Bruch because he believed it would tighten up my bow arm too much before I went to college and undid all the problems.....

I think what Gene is saying is very sensible. Nothing wrong with playing major works like the Bruch but with this kind of piece it is ,  in my opinion,  much better to be able to play i technically so that one is focused primarily on the artistic.  It and other masterworks should not be treated as learnign pieces in the basic technical so often.  By doing so one often does students a disservice in that they are never able to feel completley comfortable or happy with the work becaus eso much difficulty has been associated with it.   There are so many works of artistic that focus more on technique tha pave the way. A good exampel of a very neglected work of this kind- Vieuxtemps Ballade and Polonaise.   Or try following the Accolay with soemthing like Spohr no2.

Cheers,

Buri

January 28, 2009 at 02:19 AM ·

Buri’s recommendations are always worth taking good notes and revisit a few times down the road.

Here is my $0.02:

Bruch is hard to play in tune, let alone the demand on bow arm and musicality. Mozart vc #3 is a good to learn to play well.  And how about Beriot #2 b minor? Very pretty I think.

January 28, 2009 at 05:54 AM ·

Bruch viola repetoire is also hard to play in tune...  let alone being musical. It is deceptively simple.  Haydn generally is easier "in the hand", but still requires a level of style and musicality to play.

I'm not familiar with the violin repetoire, but this is what I have learned about these two composers for viola. 

January 31, 2009 at 06:30 PM ·

So, I've taken a good look at both pieces. First off, the Haydn looks really easy, save for a couple of spots. I'm wondering if it would do any harm to learn it on my own?

On the Bruch, it does seem like a little bit of a stretch. But I can do scalar octave chords with my 1st and 4th fingers. I've been practicing scales like that for about a month or so, so it's kind of a new ability for me. I've also practiced ascending and descending scales with only slurs to utilize bow control and speed. I will talk to my teacher about it, and thank you for the feedback. I've written down the suggested pieces so I can check them out =)

February 1, 2009 at 02:56 PM ·

The Bruch G minor is a wonderful piece when you have developed a bit more technique but without that technique you will find the work frustrating. The Haydn is a very good piece to progress on to. Why not have a look at the Bach E Major as well, you will find it very rewarding and it is very good for detache technique beside being musically very rewarding. Then Mozart in D Major  - after that you might be ready have a go at the Bruch!.This small list should keep you going for a while!

February 1, 2009 at 05:08 PM ·

I just recently made the jump from Haydn concerto to Bruch Concerto, and now am starting the Mendelssohn in a couple weeks. I have not yet done the Kabalevski.

I have to say that it did take some adjusting to make such a huge leap. But if you have already done Kabalevski, the Haydn will seem like Twinkle Twinkle.

Just my opinion.

October 12, 2010 at 12:56 PM ·

 The Haydn G isn't that bad in spots, the hardest thing about it is to not rush. I'm working on it for my college auditions and even the written kadenza is not really hard. If you work on the haydn G, work on double stops in Kretzer or another etude. 

October 12, 2010 at 07:33 PM ·

The Haydn G major is a lovely concerto but it´s at a similar level to Kabalevsky so it´s not really a jump. I´d reccomend Bach E Major. It´s a wonderful concerto that offers plenty of opportunity for developing good technique and musicality.

January 17, 2011 at 05:54 AM ·

 I play the bruch concerto right now, and I just jumped from Mozart g major concerto #3. Mozart concerto #3 and deberiot #9 are both really good choices as well before going to bruch. Possibly deberiot #7 as well? I haven't played the haydn g major, but it sounds like wonderful piece to me.

January 17, 2011 at 07:59 AM ·

Bruch concerto may be too hard after Kabalievsky. I would try first others like De Beriot n. 7 in G, or Vieuxtemps Balada and Polonaise. Good luck!

January 17, 2011 at 08:00 PM ·

 Hey, I jumped from Kabalevsky to Mendelssohn.......