Is the Vivaldi Concerto in A minor 3rd movement in Suzuki Book 4 a different version?

September 11, 2008 at 05:16 PM · Hi, I don't know about diferent than what your recording is, but it's different than what I had of it back years ago. I hate it when sheet music companies do that! You should start a thread, "should sheet music companies re-compose or reinterpret works i.e. to simplify the piece for beginers to intermidiate players, etc.? Or for whatever reason?

September 11, 2008 at 08:07 PM · No in fact it is not that the sheet music companies have simplified the piece, but that the version played by Perlman is not the Vivaldi-Nachez edition which is used in the Suzuki materials. For the Vivaldi-Nachez version see the Schott catalogue.

September 11, 2008 at 08:33 PM · I love this sight! I'm always learning something new!

September 11, 2008 at 08:38 PM · actually the suzuki version has the same notes. Perlman probably added a couple of ornamentations in the Baroque Style. The Tuttis are sections the violin is playing the first violin part with the orchestra, and the solo is when he/she is by themselves. But the notes are the same.

September 12, 2008 at 12:52 AM · Hi Brian, I think there are indeed different notes in the fast passage, i googled Vivaldi-Nachez edition as suggested by the previous v.comer and indeed this thread came up. Maybe I'm not understanding it entirely, but I seriously think that the fast passage is not the same, it's not just Perlman adding ornaments, but the notes are completely different.

http://suzukiassociation.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1995&p=10964

September 12, 2008 at 01:39 AM · hmmm.....i am confused.

I do have a recording of Giuliano Carmignola, the great baroque violinist, performing it along with everything else in l'estro armonico, and the notes are the same as in the Suzuki. Hmmm....better be safe anyway and get another edition.

September 13, 2008 at 11:41 PM · The Ivan Galamian arrangement matches the Perlman version better, but there are numerous arrangements. Galamian is the one we use as there is a whole "arpegio" part in the Suzuki arrangement that does not exist in some other editions and is not always on recordings. I really recommend the Ivan Galamian arrangement as it is easy to read and your teacher can mark in their own fingerings etc. Suzuki's is all marked up already. Many like that, but I tend to like editions that are less marked up. I am curious about the geneology of these different versions, but have never had time to check it out. Our teacher does not use the Suzuki/arpegio version prefered by Suzuki teachers.

I have never heard an explanation that made sense as to why they are so different in that section.

September 16, 2008 at 06:16 AM · Thank you!! I'm gonna look into that edition. I don't know what my teacher will say if i tell her that i would like to play this edition instead... those fast passages is driving me absolutely NUTS how does one practice that?

September 17, 2008 at 06:00 PM · Many aspects of the version of the Vivaldi A minor concerto in Suzuki book 4/5 are unnecessarily difficult and different from other editions. When my students get to that, I give them a copy of some other edition (probably Schirmer).

Among other things, I think Suzuki is trying to incorporate some unconventional bowing ability into the piece, but I think it is distracting and unnecessary. No one would ever play that kind of music that way. The could use the Accolay, where it belongs, for that kind of thing.

Andy

September 18, 2008 at 02:20 AM · So many of the Suzuki versions are so hopelessly out of date that

they're only good for a laugh. An advanced student should abandon Suzuki unless the teacher just doesn't know any better. Which is often the case.

September 18, 2008 at 05:12 AM · I agree with the two posts above. The Suzuki editing is very dated and idiosyncratic. Humoresque is another example of this.

September 18, 2008 at 05:55 AM · The A minor -double-, the recording by Stern/Oistrakh has an entirely different 3rd movement. When the internet came out, I finally learned the story behind that. But I forget it :) I had that recording and somebody wanted me to play the double with them and gave me the music, and I was like wtfffff.