Violin dated 1743 luthier Salomon, Paris
I´ve got a violin with an inside label dated 1743 from luthier "Salomon", Place d´Ecole´, Paris
Has anyone any information about this luthier?
thanks
Replies (19)
Henley devotes nearly an entire page to this luthier, who was apparently prolific yet extremely variable in quality and design. Apparently did a lot of experimenting, with less than satisfying results, though Henley praises some of his 'cellos. From this I gather that each example must be evaluated on its own merits.
SALOMON, Jean Baptiste Deshayes. Rheims, 1747-70 (?); went to Paris, where his widow carried on the firm, employing Namy; later he settled in the Rue de l'Arbre-sec (about 1769). He died before 1772, for in that year Namy is mentioned as working for the widowed Madame Salomon. He made few violins, but they show good work, and are on a similar pattern to those of Louis Guersan, his contemporary; they have yellow-brown varnish; unequal maker; some good violoncellos and bass viols.
Rue de l'Arbre-Sec - I went to a restaurant in that street last Wednesday, I wonder what number it was....
mi violin tambien está etiquetado Salomon. Tiene los "hombros" iguales a una viola de gamba y posteriormente corregidos para tener la forma normal. ¿alguien puede ayudarme a identificar el autor? ¿es realmente un Salomon? puedo enviar fotos
un saludo
ok i threw that last post in a translator so hope this helps
Person above me said.
"my violin also is labelling Salomon. It has " hombros" equals to a viola of prawn and later corrected to have the normal form. somebody can help me to identify the author? she is really a Salomon? I can send photos
a greeting"
HAHAHAHAHA!
"Viola of prawn"
I LOVE translation!
take it to a reputable appraiser to see if it is authentic. That is always a good way to start.
..it has hombros equal to a viola of prawn, eh... what on earth might that mean?
I have no idea i just thought it might help figure it out somewhat ha ha.
I believe it says
"it has shoulders the same as a viola da gamba."
Agreed -- the translation protocol was turning "gamba" into some form of "gamberi", which is Italian for shrimp or prawns. Funny, considering that the original language is Spanish, and the Spanish word for shrimp is "camarones".... ya gotta appreciate those translation programs...
I’m sorry I didn’t write in English –it is really difficult for me-. What I wanted to say is: do you know if Salomon or any other luthier from XVII or XVIII century made violins that had the form of an old viol? Is it possible that Salomon made viols became violins or cellos?
Here we are, a couple of years later...
I was wondering if anyone had more info on JB Salomon and specifically, any "school " of Salomon violins? Would be ca. 1800 or prior. I have located some auction reports, dealer and private sales with regard to prices, but most are several years old. I found one where the listing mentioned "originally thought to be school of Salomon...actually a JB Salomon," suggesting there are violins from a school of Salomon.
Perhaps someone here has one of the Salomon violins or "school of," has come across one? I am hoping to learn more with regard to JB Salomon and luthiers in the school, and of violins in this specific class themselves? Thanks much in advance.
:) Valerie
His real name was Jean Baptiste Dehayes, Salomon was a nickname.
tengo un salomon que, en realidad, es un pardessus de viol transformado a violin. Si teneis interes os puedo enviar alguna foto
salud
Joan: love spanish but cannot speak it... My grand-mother came from Spain, she was a "Cedras"...
salud
Viola of Prawn.... Mmmmmm sounds like Chinese stir fry! Slurp, slurp!
Me encantaría ver cualquier fotos que tienes! ¿Viene con arroz frito y rollos de huevo?
our Spanish Speaking friend was trying to say that his instrument bhas the appearnce of a violi de gamba which meands one that is held and played at the leg. I saw one recently and all the pegs are on one side and gives the appearence of being a guitar.
This discussion has been archived and is no longer accepting responses.
Violinist.com is made possible by...
Dimitri Musafia, Master Maker of Violin and Viola Cases
Elmar Oliveira International Violin Competition
Johnson String Instrument/Carriage House Violins
Subscribe
Laurie's Books
Discover the best of Violinist.com in these collections of editor Laurie Niles' exclusive interviews.
Violinist.com Interviews Volume 1, with introduction by Hilary Hahn
Violinist.com Interviews Volume 2, with introduction by Rachel Barton Pine
December 19, 2007 at 01:19 PM · If it's genuine, should be a pretty good fiddle. Should be branded as well as labeled. Definitely worth taking to a competent dealer for evaluation.