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Bach Cello Suites

Edited: February 3, 2026, 4:02 PM · A note sharing how happy I have been to open the violin transcriptions of the Bach Cello Suites. To begin with, they are much easier than the Violin S&P. Harmony does get a bit more twisted as you go further back. But there is a lot of material that can be sight-read. And the music is all pretty great.

One thing I'd never really bothered to come to grips with is the tuning. I knew about the 6th being written for a 5-string cello. But the 5th suite is also written in scordatura with the E string tuned down to the D. I think there are different cello editions that offer choices between transcriptions for normal tuning and a purer urtext. But viola and violin transcriptions usually can't be bothered, from what I have seen. So I've got my white-out, highlighter, and fine black nibs out to tweak the [excellent] Icking edition in ForScore.

It is a weird experience to play the wrong pitch on the E string for harmonies that require playing a sharp to get a natural, but good exercise for the brain.

If anyone knows a better edition, I'd be happy to hear about it. Otherwise, a blanket recommendation to anyone who wants to know more about Bach, or is not yet advanced enough to enjoy working on the violin set.

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February 3, 2026, 6:00 PM · I have an edition of Suites 1-4 by Valerie Arsenault that I really like. Nice big notes and very few markings. Valerie used directly the cello manuscripts to prepare her edition. Funny thing -- I thought I found a mistake but she proved me wrong!
Edited: February 3, 2026, 6:29 PM · I think the Werner Icking transcription on imslp.org has versions for original tuning and normal tuning. And, it's free. I have used it in the past and been pleased with it.

https://ks15.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/d/d7/IMSLP121690-WIMA.e315-vl100712.pdf

February 3, 2026, 10:15 PM · I actually did find a copy of the scordatura Icking edition. So false alarm there!

One problem with the suites, as opposed to the violin set, is that we have no autograph. Anna Magadalena probably made a fair copy, and there are a few other old ones kicking about. But we don’t know what decisions or mistakes they contain that were not in the JS Bach MS.

February 4, 2026, 5:11 AM · Anna’s manuscript is very interesting. I have the following hypotheses:
- Anna tried to copy Bach’s autograph as faithfully as possible.
- In Anna’s copies, the slurs tend to be short.
- After Anna finished, Bach checked the work and marked errors with dots.
- These suites may assume an underhand grip (like a double bass), meaning strong beats could be played with either an up-bow or a down-bow.
- In the BWV 1009 Prelude, thumb position is commonly used today, but it’s not actually necessary; adjacent notes can be played on the same string.
- In BWV 1011, the fifth line indicates the use of open strings.
In any case, whether playing these suites on the cello with an overhand grip or on the violin, I think it is fine to adjust things as appropriate.
February 4, 2026, 6:10 AM · Interesting. And were the errors corrected, or was it a matter of slurs needing to be added?
February 4, 2026, 7:28 AM · Basically, the errors with the slurs do not seem to have been corrected. I suspect he wanted to avoid the risk of making the manuscript messy.
Both missing slurs and incorrect slur extents are marked with dots. However, even if a slur is short, it seems it wasn't checked as long as the intended grouping wasn't misunderstood.
February 4, 2026, 7:39 AM · One problem with Bach's slurs, if you look at the autograph ms of the S&Ps, is that the slurs can be ambiguous and inconsistent. Often you have trouble discerning what is included and what is not. Also, if you look to similar passages to try to get some sort of idea of how an ambiguous slur should be treated, he was not always consistent.
Anna M.'s copy of the Cello Suites probably exacerbates those problems. In addition, of the various copies that have been used to generate the urtext, I have read that while they all agree on the notes, that's about it. We can only guess at what Bach originally wrote. Good luck!
Edited: February 4, 2026, 7:55 AM · This manuscript also has the following issues regarding accidentals:
- There are instances that appear to be simple omissions.
- Given the above, some clearly marked accidentals are occasionally ignored based on the judgment of editors or performers.
- Notes where an accidental should logically remain valid across a bar line are occasionally reinterpreted as different pitches.
In any case, searching for the hidden beauty within these details is a great joy for me.
February 4, 2026, 6:30 PM · Greetings,
You raise a very interesting topic. In Szigeti’s writings on the development of violinists he has some very interesting suggestions that are rarely even considered today because pedagogy has advanced (?) at least in the technical sense to such an astounding degree. Among these are studying the Barucaba Variations before the caprices, extensive use of the Bartok Duos, using the Beethoven quartets as study material and learning the cello suites before considering the solo sonatas. I wonder if anyone has a done this last recently?
Cheers,
Buri
February 4, 2026, 6:37 PM · Buri, yes but in token form: I think a few movements from the cello suites are sprinkled among the Suzuki violin books.
February 5, 2026, 4:29 AM · I’m a viola-playing violinist , and much prefer the cello suites on viola than on violin , the resonances and harmonies - for me - are just a lot more satisfying . I ‘ only’ have a Peters viola transcription , and have enjoyed working out better bowings for myself, including using various cello editions as a starting point .
February 5, 2026, 4:42 AM · I had been looking for a violin transcription, but since I own a viola now, it makes more sense to transpose the cello part up an octave.
Edited: February 5, 2026, 6:45 AM · Andrew - arrangements for viola and violin are available on IMSLP, e.g. https://ks15.imslp.org/files/imglnks/usimg/b/b6/IMSLP22401-PMLP04291-Bach_-_Viola_-_Suite_No.2.pdf
February 5, 2026, 7:00 AM · I have, somewere in my sprawling library, two other sources, with many small differences, particularly in the bowings. I had not noticed the dots: work in store!

Anna M's slurs are ususally too far to the right. I must check Bach's other facsimiles to see if it's his own fault..

I learned from Watson Forbes's Chester edition. He makes personal, but convincing, choices in interpretation. Suite no.5 is for standard tuning, and suite no.6 is in G major to avoid the stratosphere.

February 5, 2026, 7:50 AM · Regarding your point that 'Anna M's slurs are usually too far to the right'—if you are referring to the BWV 1007 Prelude, my view is that it simply indicates where to change the bow. With an underhand grip, that articulation is not difficult at all.
For those interested in my edition, please refer to the GitHub repository listed in my profile. I have also uploaded files to IMSLP, but please be aware they are not the latest version.
February 5, 2026, 12:38 PM · Buri--

Yes, I first read about the idea in Szigeti's book. I think for anyone not sure if they should tackle solo Bach on violin, the cello suites are a great entry point.

Edited: February 5, 2026, 1:14 PM · Thanks for the link, Steve.

I've just had a quick look at the Bärenreiter, which I've had for a while as a companion to the violin s&p.
It had never occurred to me how the fingering might differ. Fingering a major 3rd 1-3 seems natural to us, but cellists seem to play 1-4, in the lower positions at least. That might do my nut in.

February 5, 2026, 7:25 PM · I have the Primrose edition for viola. Only the first four suites are represented. The introductory material says that Primrose considered Nos. 5 and 6 unsuited to the viola because of their large range. Who am I to argue?
Edited: February 5, 2026, 10:32 PM · I believe these suites match the timbre of the viola wonderfully.
When BWV 1012 is performed on a four-string cello, the passages in the very high positions can feel a bit 'choked.' I much prefer performances on a five-string cello, as specified in the manuscript.
As for BWV 1011, perhaps he had other reasons for not covering it that he simply didn't want to put into writing.
February 6, 2026, 2:33 AM · Fwiw, the Bärenreiter 1011 is for normal tuning.
February 6, 2026, 3:40 AM · Watson Forbes has them all arranged for a normally-tuned viola. BWV1 012 he transposed into G major.
February 6, 2026, 10:00 AM · I use the Rowland Jones transcription for viola which is excellent and includes versions for both types of tuning for ##5 and 6.
Edited: February 10, 2026, 4:09 AM · Rowland Jones has also recorded them.

And fingerings? I often borrow 'cello fingerings for my ageing hands on the viola!

February 14, 2026, 3:14 AM · @Andrew Fryer, the differences in the violin fingering and the cello fingering were my biggest surprise when I started the cello over a decade ago - I'd learned the violin in the 80s, and it took my seeing Alison Crumb's book on the viola da gamba to realize that the cello took after the viola da gamba (and the classical guitar and lute) on how you place your fingers. It would follow that transposing the score from one to the other is simple; working out appropriate fingering is quite another matter.