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What nuances?

January 28, 2026, 2:03 PM · I guess I just don’t know squat yet. But I’m not closing my mind.
I don’t understand the nuances, or maybe they are obvious to violinists of considerable skill.
What are the features that the better musicians here that make a violin sound “great” VS one that sounds “good “? What is it that good players can do to outplay almost any violin?
Can anyone explain this to me, or is there some site to visit where I can learn about this?
And I don’t just mean Stradivarius or Guarneri violins.
Maybe it would help me get the best there is out of my violin, whatever the heck that is.
I don’t like being naive.
This has been really bugging me!

Replies (34)

January 28, 2026, 2:46 PM · There are what I think of as raw tonal qualities -- what does the instrument sound like, and is that sound pleasing to the player and to the listener? What's the projection like? Does it respond evenly on all strings? Does it do so across the entire range, up to the top of the fingerboard? What is its range of color, and how difficult is it to get a variety of colors? Are the sounding points a handful of individual "lanes", or can you place the bow an arbitrary distance between bridge and fingerboard and still get a good sound, allowing you to create more shades of color? How much does vibrato affect different aspects of the sound?

Then there's its immediacy of response. There are multiple aspects of this. Clarity -- specifically, how clear fast note-to-note transitions are -- is a function of responsiveness. There's dynamic range, and how easily and quickly you can transition between different levels of intensity. There's how easy it is to get different kinds of articulations.

A player has outgrown their violin when they are playing repertoire whose technical demands outstrip the violin's capabilities. A player has also outgrown their violin when they are capable of a level of nuance that the instrument cannot respond to.

My past teachers encouraged me to upgrade at the point when my apparently-correct execution of a technique wasn't producing the expected response -- and they couldn't do it either on my violin, or found it difficult to do so.

January 28, 2026, 5:21 PM · Some violins are the equivalent of a box of crayons with 8 crayons. Others are 24 crayons. Some are the 64 crayon box. And a few can get all the millions? shades of color your computer shows.

There is a point where the box of 8 crayons just doesn't do it anymore. The artist has the skill and the desire to be able to use more colors.

The bow matters too because after all the violin just looks pretty without the bow to bring out the sound.

January 28, 2026, 5:31 PM · Also, how much "extraneous noise" are you making while playing? And are you playing enough in tune to hit the resonance on notes like E, A, D, G, C. This can also play into whether your tone is pure, ringing, etc.
January 28, 2026, 5:53 PM · I think a lot is down to bowing - how to start a phrase, how to shape it dynamically (think "vocally"), how to end it. That's how a good player can get heart-warming music out of any violin. Another technical element that's most useful is vibrato, to "warm" the crux of a phrase.
January 28, 2026, 6:16 PM · My non-musician mom explanation….. when she is playing high notes on the g string, it has a guttural sound and really high pitches on the e string sound thin? I’m not sure that is the most accurate description for the e string (I definitely don’t know enough about music to describe!!!) but the g string just has this blech sound.
Edited: January 28, 2026, 7:34 PM · My violin is the 24-crayon box, and the sharpener is in the end-button. I do think the analogy is apt, but among the responses here I believe Lydia said it best.
Edited: January 28, 2026, 8:09 PM · Thanks all. Laura, that’s brilliant.
I still don’t get color and shades of color, probably because I don’t make any.
I think all I have is a black crayon and a white crayon.
I am learning dynamics.
I can hear some resonance, part of the time.
My latest violin has a wider Bowing lane than my first one. And I get more resonance out of it.
I think I’ll have to listen to other players more (not YouTube, it’s a menagerie of vanilla sounds. There, Michael Cleveland’s fiddle sounds just like Hillary Hahn’s Vuillaume violin. To me. This is what I mean. https://youtube.com/shorts/0NKpHtDbqBw?si=SlLYRWAbXTkKnxJ7
Am I not listening well? Do I have a tin ear? Geez.
Maybe I take myself way too serious.
Edited: January 29, 2026, 4:54 AM · Are you listening to good recordings, with good headphones? I have a range of decent phones (price range 50-500) but most of them are not optimized for classical music and lack details in the violin-range.

What happens if you listen to a good violinist playing violins in a range from VSO to Strad?

January 29, 2026, 7:10 AM · Continue to develop your skill and your ear will come along. I do agree that YouTube is not the same as a live performance.
Edited: January 29, 2026, 11:29 AM · Nickie, when you play on the D-string an A well in tune, do you hear your instrument resonating, responding to the in-tuneness? The same holds for all other notes, some wolf notes (typically higher up the finger board) excepted, but the A on D-string is a very clear one. Another very clear one is playing fifth-position E (same note as your E-string) played on the D-string. Also that should resonate really well. But like I said, it is really with almost all notes. This is one example of possible "nuances" you may be looking for, that only someone who can already make a good sound on the violin can hear (but perhaps you are already much more advanced than that, in which case I apologize).
January 29, 2026, 9:38 AM · I’m not sure if this directly addresses the subject of 'nuance,' but from the perspective of sound production, I believe the crucial point is to grip the string firmly to ensure clear articulation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W138dpiCk90&t=123s
Edited: January 29, 2026, 3:51 PM · Not sure if this is on his blog, but Nate Cole just sent out a description of playing two different Strads in one concert. The 1699 owned by the BSO for his use, and the (much better) one used by his predecessor Franz Kneisel. Some useful shop talk on the adjustments he had to make to his technique.
January 29, 2026, 7:14 PM · Hajime, this was hard to follow. Do you mean griping the string fIrmly with the bow.? I felt like she was matching his playing more and more….

Flo, no, unfortunately I don’t own any headphones.

I’ll see if I can find Nathan’s blog.

January 29, 2026, 7:19 PM · This might not get you there, but it should have contact info: https://natesviolin.com/about/
January 29, 2026, 9:57 PM · Thanks Stephen. After I was here last, Nate had sent it to me.
Edited: January 30, 2026, 12:13 AM · Nickie, "Do you mean gripping the string firmly with the bow?" Physically speaking, yes. However, in my mind, it's more of an image where the bow and the tactile sensation of the fingers become one."
In the video I mentioned earlier, please pay attention to the eighth note at the end of each measure. I'm not sure if Bron's true intent was reaching her at that point—well, for that matter, I’m not even sure if I'm interpreting it correctly myself.
January 29, 2026, 10:38 PM · Thanks. It should have been “gripping”, not “griping”. I’ve griped enough lately.
January 30, 2026, 3:45 AM · High notes on the G string should sound warm and rich, darker than the same pitches on the D string.

If the student is producing a “blech” sound when playing in high positions on the G string, check for the following:

Is the left hand playing with enough strength? The greater height of the string over the fingerboard in high positions requires more effort.

Is the student bowing close enough to the bridge? Higher positions require more proximity to the bridge for a clear sound.

Is the student bowing with sufficient arm weight?

How old is the G string?

Hope this is helpful.

Edited: January 30, 2026, 2:14 PM · Nickie although I'm not sure I totally get the gist of your question here, I suspect that you, like me, are still learning and exploring how to draw a good tone from your instrument. Comparing the sound you make to what you hear in recordings may not be that useful at this stage. There are so many things that need to come together for a mature sound to emerge from any instrument! Patience, perseverance, and constant attention to how one's tone measures up are key. Also relaxation! Any body part not relaxed can destroy tone. Just the thoughts of another adult beginner.
Edited: January 30, 2026, 2:49 PM · Mary Ellen, I’m not sure my ears are trained well enough to notice that.

Jon, I think you may be right. My notes do not sound like my teachers notes at all. Close maybe, but not quite. Of course, she probably has 50-60 years of practice on me. And the violins are different too.

Although my skills may never be that good, I would enjoy some ensemble or orchestra playing. But, I’ll be just as happy playing some waltzes, and fiddling. I just don’t want to sound lousy, whatever I manage to play.

I just went to the public library and checked out “What To Listen For In Music”. By Aaron Copeland. It can’t hurt.

January 30, 2026, 3:58 PM · Not only does your teacher have experience on you, but she likely had at least 15 years of very close tutelage, possibly with really top people especially toward the end. I went to a camp once with my daughter, long ago, and one of the teachers there was Sadie DeWall. We had a nice conversation wherein I asked her if she had any general advice. I wasn't really her student at the camp, so she wasn't inclined toward any specific recommendations, but she said that one of her teachers had preached that "you can always work on your tone." And that can be done in a very measured and systematic way, as I believe it has been described best by Simon Fischer.
January 30, 2026, 4:25 PM · Paul, my teacher was taught by her mother, a. Professional orchestral violinist and teacher. My teacher also taught her daughter to play. My teacher, Julie, has several students, and plays in three orchestras. She also is in demand to play in fancy weddings.
I’ll have to check out Simon’s work.
So far Copelands book is pretty good.
All of the lesson books I have teach sight reading, intonation, dynamics, shifting, timing, rhythm, and bowing patterns, but not vibrato or tone.
January 30, 2026, 6:34 PM · Although it is often repeated, it is not true that a good violinist can make a bad violin sound like a good one.

A good violinist can play well on a bad violin, and it will sound better than if it were played poorly, but it will never sound nearly as good compared to same violinist playing a good violin. A bad violin is physically limited in its performance capabilities. Lydia touched on several of those factors.

Consider an analogy: a skilled race car driver will be able to take any street car around a track faster than an average driver in the same car because the race car driver is more skilled. But regardless of who is driving, a street car will always be slower than a race car.

What is true is that a poor violinist can make a good violin sound like a bad one. :-)

January 30, 2026, 10:03 PM · Nickie you're lucky to have a really experienced and qualified teacher. You can find Simon's tone book (and the accompanying DVD, from ca. 2013) online.
Edited: January 31, 2026, 6:00 AM · George - flip the "goods" and "bads" in your first sentence and it's certainly true! But I doubt I could make a Strad sound much better than my best workhorse violin, even to my own ears. The audience's ears are famously poor when it comes to discriminating between decent and great violins.
Edited: January 31, 2026, 6:37 AM · and, tone, is basically, bowing! the better I still get (as an amateur I have the illusion that I still keep improving) the more I get what top violinists always insist on, that the right hand is what is really important. easily said of course if you have a perfect left hand technique under your belt. but it's the right hand that can improve infinitely. with the left hand, basically you reach a point where you've got the tool you need.
Edited: January 31, 2026, 6:41 AM · by the way, since Nickie has also often asked about better violins and all, the better you get, you also understand that as an amateur you just need a decent violin, and instead of searching for a better one, better work on getting better yourself. we all know these amateurs with top instruments and bows but with a rather miserable tone… they spent their time wrongly (time is money, reversed!)
January 31, 2026, 8:09 AM · Thank you.
And Jean, I am tickled pink with the violin I bought from a friend last October. She had two violins, I tell her she sold the wrong one. I think it’s far superior to her Knopf violin. It just hasn’t been played enough (having been in its case for two years) to be well seasoned.
I’ve spent literally thousands on lessons in the last 26 months. Hundreds on violins and bows. I’m not very materialistic, for an American. But I understand the value of good teaching. I think it’s far more important than owning a fancy priced violin that one can not do Justice to.
I plan to stick with my teacher, Julie, for as long as I can. We’re also friends now. I feel fortunate!
January 31, 2026, 11:34 AM · Nickie great to hear that. it's not just the lessons but even more the hours you put in yourself. quite possibly you are at the point to benefit from "Basics" by Simon Fischer. it basically clarifies and explains almost everything there is to explain about violin technique. However it is not a course but more a handbook. So it is best appreciated if (like you) one has already received instruction, so that you have already encountered the issues that are discussed in the book.
January 31, 2026, 1:59 PM · "Nuances"-- echoing the previous entries; it is a combination of equipment, vibrato, bow control and literal technique. This overlaps with what I would call "Eloquence" It is an attitude, a style of playing, an internal mental imaging of how you want to sound. That is the difference between a major soloist who projects to the back of the hall vs. the equally skilled orchestra section player who needs to blend, not stick out. I am one of those section players. I hate hearing my occasional recordings because I sound so---ordinary. The French have a word for it; mediocre, that is; average, plain, but that sounds too harsh in English. The Germans have a saying; "Recht und Schlecht", correct, and bad. That is also too harsh in English.
January 31, 2026, 2:44 PM · I personally could not really notice the difference between different violins very well until I started playing on and owning more than one. Then, I started noticing that while both violins could be played to generate the same effects, I preferred one over the other.

The good violin had a bit of distinctiveness about it. It sounded different from other instruments I've played on. The bad violin kind of sounded like every other violin out there. At first, I didn't like the distinctive kind of nasal sound of my 'good' violin, but when playing on runs where the notes change, the 'nasal' quality of my violin gave a nice texture to the sound. It also sounded better in the lower strings. When playing without vibrato, I always preferred the sound of my good violin over my bad violin. It kind of sounded more complex and there was a violin-like quality to it. My other violin sounded more like a trumpet.

In general, I prefer violins with corners over the rounded violins.

Edited: January 31, 2026, 4:07 PM · @joel, Mehr schlecht als Recht might be more common. Ausreichend (adequate) is probably best. Comme il faut in French? Médiocre means the same as mediocre.

My ambition is to be ausreichend in orchestra and play Bach at home.
As to violins, Raymond, that's easy. My Gewa has no bass. I plan to buy one more violin.

Edited: February 1, 2026, 2:04 AM · I just ordered Simon Fischer’s book after discussing it with my teacher. Now that I’ve taken up the instrument again later in life, I’m having to relearn (or unlearn?) a great many structural aspects of playing that will, hopefully, one day allow me to play with finesse. I can hear nuance, but drawing it out is another matter. I know my instrument has potential because of the sound my teacher produces with it.

I like the race car analogy and find it apt. A high performance machine will only respond properly to a masterful touch. Violin and player are an inseparable pair. But I don’t go to race tracks, and I’m content to drive a Toyota….

February 1, 2026, 9:28 AM · Thanks everyone! So far,I’m intrigued by Aaron Coplands book, What To Listen For In Music. I do intend to take a look for Simon Fischers book.
I do know that my violin sounds quite a bit different from my teachers, but other than volume, I can’t quite put a finger on it. So far.