Hi! I am a returning violin player. I played many many years ago when I was a kid in school (I'm 28 now) when I was about 8 I learnt to play the violin but I really didn't like my teacher (a group class and only remember the teacher shouting at other students) and just grinded it out as being one of those classes I didn't like. I played the piano and clarinet aswell and really enjoyed them (and still play the clarinet). But over the years when listening to classical music I have really like the sound of the violin and wish that had I told my parents about my teacher / wish that my parents asked me how classes were going :P
Anyway, Now I want a violin!! I am living in Trujillo, Peru and went looking around town in music shops that sell instruments but they are all cheap chinese violins for around $100... I appreciate craftsmanship and don't want to buy a VSO. I spoke with a music teacher at school and he suggested buying one of these violins...
I would like to buy a decent violin, something that I will get good use out of and have fun, hopefully even get good!!! (although I've heard some people on forums saying something along the lines of "if you start late in life you'll never get any good"). I disagree, anything is possible with the right mind..
Anyway. I haven't touched a violin for so many years, so I can't play anything to test a violin. I can check for the basics (paint under fingerboard, bridge curve, signpost setup, etc..) But from what I've found I cant get a violin here.
I have a $800-1000 budget, I'd pay a little more if it will enable me to get a decent violin which would last for myself and any children I have in the future..
So my only two options are:
Buy online - I've looked online but I'm going round in circles with my limited knowledge of what is exactly good. Also buying online would mean I'd have to pay extra for import tax when it arrives in peru 18%!!! bringing the amount I can spend on the violin down..
Or, I am possibly going on holliday with my wife this christmas to New York (if she gets the visa), or am going to England/Europe next July (I don't want to wait that long but will if I have to!).
Heres what I've found:
NY violins are overpriced apparently.
Cecilio Hand Rubbed Oil Finish Violin CVN-700
http://fiddlershop.com/instruments/violin-886012577/cecilio-hand-rubbed-oil-finish-violin-cvn-700.html
I was Originally looking at this one. Or others at this price on his website.. But after looking at the video review the shop owner made, I noticed that the white ring around the top left peg is hanging off... then later he obviously fixed it and shows it again from the back.. So I don't want this anymore.
http://fineviolins.com/Fine-Violins_c26.htm
The first two. There was a nice offer but its over...
http://www.ifshinviolins.com/RareFineInstruments/Violins/Under1000.aspx
but none of these have prices...
I'm lost. Can anyone recommend a nice real violin at my budget? Online is probably best for me as I have no idea what I'm doing in person, and don't have a teacher to help me out in NY or UK... (I would just have it posted to a hotel).
So NY or Europe based reputable online stores..
Regards,
Matt
I'm happy with the type of violin that I got, an Enesco Antiqued, Euro-Workshop series. Paid $850 in 2007 for it. I have a hunch you could buy it online. Here's a thread where I discussed the violin and its purchase further (and also, others made suggestions for buying a violin with an $800 budget). http://www.violinist.com/discussion/response.cfm?ID=10384
In regards to the above instrument I mentioned, I'm thinking this might be it, but I can't be sure. And, of course, you know that it would be a tricky business to buy something, unheard, online, right? Make sure, wherever you choose to buy, that you have the option to return within a week, should it sound just awful.
http://www.gryphonstrings.com/instpix/37045/index.php
This shop, Gryphon Strings in Palo Alto, is where I bought my violin, FWIW. The nice thing would be that you could call them and talk to them. But, like I said, no guarantees that this is the violin as mine, anyway...
In your instance...I'd be inclined to order one of the 'better' factory violins out there from a reputable shop (ex. Shar_...and just pay the 18% fees.
Sometimes we nickel and dime where we shouldn't.
Eastman (the 305 seems to be the 'go to' model), Shen, Cao are all examples of good 'brands'.
Or if you're inclined to gamble a bit more...try the Old Violin House as Seraphim suggested...or YitaMusic from eBay. But I think for a first violin you're better off ordering from a company like Shar.
As far as I know Fiddlerman stands behind his products too. A loose decoration on a peg is really neither here nor there...but you might want to get something better than a Cecilio.
Keep in mind that $800-1000 is not a lot for a violin package.
Do ask about what strings are on the instrument. Thomastik Dominants are one of the better 'standard' stings you'll find available, or that you can ask for. And make sure the instrument is otherwise set up correctly (bridge cut properly, etc.).
Get a better rosin to begin with as well...
If you want to upgrade to a better bow and/or case at the point of ordering...you can check into that as well.
It's a bit of a maze when you start looking, but once you've sorted out what's what it won't feel quite so daunting.
@Matt ' "... if you start late in life you'll never get any good"). I disagree, anything is possible with the right mind.. '
I totally agree with your last sentence! Age is no barrier if :- the physical and mental potential is there; you have the best teacher you can find; alongside the teacher you put your part of the work into it; and the environment (which includes the violin and bow) is suitable. In my case, I didn't start playing the violin until after I retired. Now seven years on and I'm playing violin fluently in high-standard amateur orchestras, thanks to what I would regard as an "apprenticeship" with a very good teacher. In case you're wondering, exam grades have not been part of my study; I am of the view that the exam grade approach is not necessarily the most suitable route for the older adult, although it can be for children and teenagers.
One of my violins is a Jay Haide (made by Ifshin Violins), not too expensive, which does sterling service for practice, folk music, and as a reserve for orchestral playing. You may like to look at the Jay Haide range.
Whatever violin you get, make sure you also get the best bow you can afford; the quality of the bow makes as much difference as does the violin itself (at least 50/50 I'd say). Good quality wood bows tend to be pricey, so if this is an issue I'd consider one of the big brands of carbon fiber - Coda and Arcus are two that come to mind. CF bows tend to be about half the price of good equivalent wood bows and are naturally more robust. There are professionals on this forum who are very impressed by them.
Whether you buy online or in person, I'd recommend finding a shop that has a 100% trade-in policy. That definitely takes a little bit of the stress out of the equation when making the purchase - especially if you're ordering online. With such a policy, you know that you can trade it for another instrument (usually of equal or greater value) in the future.
I recently purchased a Jay Haide myself, and while I'm pretty happy with it so far, it gives me peace of mind to know that I can trade it in down the line if I decide I want something different.
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August 18, 2014 at 01:30 AM · I'd recommend a Yang Wei violin from Old Violin House. I own two of them.
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