Anyone has heard about these Dynamo strings? Seem like just another synthetic from Thomastik, and even pricier. :( The tension is what I would call normal-not too high, but high enough that it is not tempting to me. But most of you do not mind that. Let me know if you know more about these.
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Maybe the Dynamo are better than anything else in the market, and they may claim as much. I cannot say, and honestly, generally do not trust company-approved videos. No offense meant to the players involved in the promotion of these, who may really enjoy these Dynamo strings. Could be the best string ever, but also at the highest price of all time-they have a history of being able to get away with it as most brands would not be able to, due to the reputation of their best-selling strings... which is sad as they are also "setting" the price higher every time they produce an "ultimate", professional string. Pirastro will later come and try to match this price with newer, "more pro" strings, and then Thomastik will go even higher-and I am not sure we are getting our true money's worth.
If you can afford them, please do. I enjoy Oliv strings, which are spendy, but at least I know they will outlast synthetics, in my experience. However, I am not the type to tell others they should not buy something because it does not represent good value for me-for *you*, it may just work! Hopefully more people will try them and give an honest assessment.
(The aforementioned coupon thing already expired, BTW.)
I get that there has been R&D, and maybe a lot of that has been successful. But are these three new lines really addressing different problems?
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As you know, still using the regular Gold/Aluminum D, lowest tension (my needs are different.) It still is a "strong" one. No one carries these on the shops, as only the rigid sell-when they even sell. But available online with some effort.
Oliv-Stiff Violin G String - gold-silver/gut 15 1/2
Oliv-Stiff Violin D String - gold-alum/gut 16 1/2
Eudoxa Violin A String - Aluminum/Gut 13 3/4
Eudoxa Violin E String - Aluminum/Steel: Medium
Pirastro offers so many options. This is yet another experiment. I will report my findings!
Strings have come a long way since the days of metal wrapped gut strings. I have Peter Infeld Pi synthetic strings mounted on my violin, and they sound terrific, much better than wrapped gut strings. (I use the Red Infeld, gold plated stainless steel E.) That wouldn't have happened without experimentation. So, I applaud Thomastik's efforts at continuing this tradition of trying new things. Who knows, they may be onto something special with these new strings.
To the second dynamic, there are many considerations that influence pricing, especially for a new product. But, who really cares? What's important is that Thomastik is continuing to experiment. If these new strings catch on, then the pricing will eventually adjust to what the market will bear. If not, these new strings will fade.
I liked the design of the Titanium Solo E, but it did not catch on enough to be a "thing". One of the few unique Es, for better or worse, but pricey at the time of introduction.
I do not know any objective reason to believe the Infeld Pi line is "better" than wound gut other than preferring them-sounds like a matter subjective to the player and his/her violin(s). At that price may as well use good gut strings, which could even be more affordable in many cases.
No offense intended, there are plenty of good synthetics, and another thread on gut vs synthetics is perhaps not needed.
Nope, I don't like it, and were it otherwise (like there being some single best string), I could have saved thousands of dollars spent on purchasing and experimenting with strings.
Of course Thomastik is welcome to enter this discussion and correct me.
I'm willing to concede that some R&D has gone into these designs. How much, and is the result worth paying for? That is a different set of questions that remain to be answered.
My cases have on the average $150 of materials alone. If you buy an artisan-made case made in Europe or the UK (T.A. Timms, Riboni, Caballero) you'll find cases in my price range.
Oh and in Italy a Dacia Sandero costs €11,700 while a Rolls-Royce Phantom will set you €580,000. That's 50 times more expensive. By your yardstick I should be selling cases for $7,500. And this year we'll be celebrating 40 years in the business, we must be doing *something* right! ;-)
Congratulations on 40 years!
BTW, a couple years ago I got to visit the Pagani factory near Modena. Mr. Pagani told me that in each of their cars goes €75,000 in bolts alone (titanium, with a Torx head). Car not included of course.
(Also, Samsung in general costs a lot, and seeks to imitate Apple in the mobile market at least-sadly. Though it fits what I mentioned previously, that many companies seek to produce "premium" products at ever higher premium prices to see who can "out premium" each other.)
No offense intended to be sure, and I will never insult others for using their money on expensive strings. Just know that it's not guaranteed that a very high price string must mean "better."
The first musafia cases I purchased were paid for in lira. They're still in great shape, the only difference is they look better with age....unlike myself!
So there you go - for three times the price, you get something that's a tiny bit more brilliant than Dominants. Although if they are higher tension too, that would, sadly, probably suit me and my violin, but not my income.
This makes it very difficult for the typical violin shop to compete with the big guys. It's a pity because the violin shop is the place where so many people get their advice.
@Steve Jones - there are a number of problems with these charts. As a general rule, they give enough useful information to guide a search for a set of strings that will work well on one's instrument. Most string players and luthiers who have experience with a lot strings will agree, I think. The charts have helped me.
That said, different strings sound different on different instruments, so you cannot be sure that the choice of a particular strings will produce particular sound you want on yours. So, string choice is usually a bit of an adventure.
Color, complexity, easy of response, impression of softness vs. hardness to both hands, etc.
Some strings that are right next to each other on that Thomastik chart produce a very different player experience. I can't imagine anyone ever commenting, "Those Spirocores sound and play a lot like Infeld Reds." They would find quite the contrary, probably.
I've seen this with bows. A somewhat soft, spongy stick turns out to be the one that makes one particular dark-sounding fiddle spring to life in 80% humidity. Not what one would expect, normally.
One can imagine how confused a prospective customer would be.
Today Mercedes offers 43 different bodystyles, including 14 SUVs. I'm a car guy, but I can't even tell them apart any more.
I only have one Musafia case, an older style Aeternum purchased second hand, with even the old style bow holders. The external canvas cover is a bit beat up, but even the external pocket is in great condition. Looks like new inside the case. My first good case ever, which I honestly believe will last a lifetime.
I believe it is worth buying one good Musafia case, than having many affordable-and often much more fragile-models that will eventually break in a few years of hard use. It is work to produce them, so they are not cheap, but also a good investment-a better value, all things considered.
Will I try the Dynamos? It's certainly possible with my love of trying new strings, but I won't hesitate to go back to Rondo should I not find what I seek from the Dynamos. I do wish they would pump out string sets for viola, cello, and bass as much as they do for violin. There are way fewer sets for those instruments on the market. For instance, I can't remember the last time there was a new bass string set from Thomastik. Likewise, Thomastik never bothered coming out with a Peter Infeld Cello set, violas only have 2 vision sets to 4 for violin and 0 for cello. Not saying they need to make strings for the other instruments with the same names as the violin ones, but I'm sure there are quite a few violists, cellists, and bassists who would like some more options. Just looking at the Thomastik charts there are so many gaps that could be filled if Thomastik would make an effort to develop strings to fill them.
By the way, I'm also loving my recently acquired Musafia case. It really is beautiful to look at every time I open it. It was worth every cent.
Now that the founder has retired things may change, but we'll have to wait and see.
I love the Cadenza as synthetics, to be honest. The Eudoxa are another type of string altogether, even lower tension, very comfortable and wonderful to play on once you understand and learn to produce your best sound with them. But for synthetic users that want a good "low" tension string, I heartily recommend the Perpetual Cadenza. I love their controlled edge, playability, and preferred them over all "gut like" synthetics in the market. One of the few modern products I've enjoyed a lot-but coming from Eudoxa, they may be too much if you love the latter-they will get warmer soon enough, though without dullness.
I do not force my taste or peculiar needs on others, though! Play what you love. I re-ordered a Perpetual Cadenza A to match it with regular Oliv G&D, for the stability and its tone being good and beautiful enough even on high positions, matching well with the Olivs (I have read that it's not such a good match with Eudoxa, though, but every player and violin is different.)
Also ordered a Perpetual Platinum E, as I haven't used these in a while, but have a few Oliv and Hill backups. The company I ordered from shipped the *right* Cadenza A string, vs the famous other company starting with S that blamed *me* for ordering the "wrong" string. Will never order from them again for sure (still have a free, new regular Perpetual A to give away if anyone wants it.)
(Eudoxa are great, even non-rigid!)
As well as they fit your violin, all is well. Especially if higher tension is no issue!
I remember liking the rigid Oliv a lot-even the D-but the gauge I used, while sounding nice and rich, was for me at the time hard to control during fast double stop thirds. Perhaps a non issue for you. It is why I tried the lowest gauge for it when I went back to Oliv! My G still is 15.5, the D 16.25.
I love the sound of the Eudoxa E-I have also used it on heavy tension before, but so long ago. The only concern of mine is that non-wound Es tend to let the violin ring in a certain manner on the lower strings that wound Es tend to tame. A bit of a "veil" on the highs of my violin, affecting the whole tonal balance. If you do not mind this, then you will love it very much-it's very, very nice sounding.
But *glad* they are working for you! Oliv are expensive, but last and last.
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The more I can afford expensive strings, the more I don't. After all, people sitting 20 feet away from me won't hear the difference if I gift-wrapped it for them.