Evaluating previous luthier works
Is there any database online to get some feeling of prices of violin of some luthier?
I got in touch with some dealer who suggested me a lovely violin, but I think that in that price I could find much finer instruments.
He reason the relatively high price because the luthier "has a name", and it's not a simple apprentice work.
Please note that it ain't an old violin (it's listed from 1999), and the maker is not super famous (googling him didn't popped up any personal webpage).
I wondered if there any database which I could search his name?
you tried searching
yes, auction results are about all you have, and results for contemporary makers tend to be artificially low in most cases, but general rule is auction price is half full retail, although some auction prices go up to full retail for in demand items
Thanks for the response. Yes, I tried searching there, but didn't find the maker there. Is there anything else to do?
not really other than google search of the maker to see if any shops have one for sale, are you sure this is a real maker and not a fake label?
You will probably have to post his name and any other info on the label - here and at maestronet.com to see if anyone can help you. There is a large maker community that posts regularly at "pegbox" on maestronet.
Yes, I'm quite sure its a real maker.
"columbia"?! He misspelled the name of his country (Colombia) on the label? That's suspect, IMO.
I wouldn't buy it based on the reputation of the maker alone since he is obscure. You'll have to assess the violin on it's own merits. It had better be a really nice player and very well made for that price.
Paul, it's my fault, the country is spelled correctly.
The one that's listed on Reverb is a beautiful violin to my eyes. If it's the kind of violin you'd really enjoy playing and performing on for, say, the next six years, then $7200 is a good deal because that's $100 per month, and you probably pay more than that for your bespoke combination of Netflix, Prime, Hulu, etc., not to mention your baseline telecom and internet fees. At the end of the six-year self-rental period you can use your cryptocurrency winnings to buy a Vuillaume or a Guadagnini and leave the Espana for a promising young student. But if you keep the Espana even longer then the self-rental fee just keeps going down.
I have never heard of him, and based on quick google search, am able to find next-to-nothing about him.
On the other side of things, 7200 is pretty cheap for a bench-made instrument. If you want someone who's actually well-known, be prepared to pay several times that amount.
If you want an investment, go off a name that has a sales record associated with it, that people play, that has won awards, and that is clearly in demand.
And after they sell you the bridge, you're going to have to pay them to fit it onto your violin.
It's infrastructure week at V.com
Is it possible to judge an instrument by a voice sample? E.g the link i posted earlier contain this reference for youtube sample
There's no harm in trying/trialing it, but as (1) it doesn't seem to be a great deal and (2) it's not a well known luthier, you'd probably do better to just go and try a range of instruments. Sound will help you some, but you'll also want to know how it plays, and sound on youtube is not super reliable.
Napol-123, In my opinion, NO! A recorded voice sample is not a good way to judge an instrument.
I wouldn't trust a voice sample either. Might not even be the same violin. Run away from that. Get the violin and play it. Does it sound good? Does it play well? Do you really enjoy playing it? Do you think it will have a good voice as a solo instrument or in the ensembles you frequent? Take it to your local luthier. Does (s)he think it's well made? If the answers to those questions are all "Yes" then that could easily be worth $8000. To hell with whether the luthier is famous or not. As someone else said, if you want a Burgess or a Zig, you can count on $8000 to pay the sales tax, and then get in line for 5+ years. I'd love to have one of David's violins but I can't afford it and I don't want to wait until I'm in my 60s to play it.
Have you ever heard a Burgess violin
$8000 is a reasonable budget and will buy a very good violin. Maybe not a new one from a top tier maker. But you can get a quite nice used modern or antique if you hunt patiently. I just don't see the appeal of this particular instrument/maker.
If the luthier is living, you can contact them and ask their current asking price. It is at least a gauge of what you might pay, now, for one.
I've tried a Burgess, which seemed to me to be a perfectly good contemporary violin.
Like others have said, it is unlikely to be an investment violin and its sound quality should be tested in person.
Carlos, that was very interesting and enlightening.
David said the photos suggest the luthier is not a truly top-tier maker. Sometime I would love to learn what details he's seeing that I'm obviously not.
From what I see from a few Google searches, his violins have sold for between $6000 and $10,000 over the last few years. He also does have a website, but in Spanish; https://joseluisluthier.blogspot.com/ The sound sample I heard seems good but of course it's hard to tell from a recording. The tone is similar to my Sarmiento violin (made by a Colombian maker who trained in Colombia and then graduated from Parma); it's my favorite instrument for tone. Good luck!
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