Thinness of the e string
I recently tried out the vision solo strings(PI with the plat e were burning my wallet up), and immediately I felt that the string felt thin(not in terms of the sound, but physically). I felt like I needed to press a lot harder than normal on the string to make a good sound or else it would come out cracked. So I have to ask, do different strings have varying thickness, or am I deluding myself? When I mention strings, I’m only referring to the e string.
Different strings do have different thicknesses.
Platinum is heavier than steel, so they MAY reduce the size of the steel core to compensate for the platinum plating (I haven't checked).
I like the Pirastro No1: a wound E, therefore thicker. Not too tinny.
If platinum sounds tinny you're getting ripped off.
Save your wallet the pain and buy guitar E strings. They're like 50c each and come in your choice of gauge (diametre) and material. Why people are willing to fork over 20, 30, or even 40 dollars for a 60cm long piece of freakin steel wire continues to elude me.
Mr. Victor, have you tried the Perpetual E 26.7 gauge?
John, I have not - at least not on purpose - as far as I know.
I wonder if the string is defective; if so, perhaps the manufacturer could provide a replacement. I think it’s worth checking with the retailer. I don’t think you should press at all for the E string; the weight of the finger should be enough to stop the string.
Can you really use a guitar E string on a violin ? That is the first time I have heard of anybody doing that !
Yes, half a guitar high E works. I tried half a nylon (unwound) E as a substitute for a plain gut E. It stretched a lot , and flattened where the fingers pressed, but sounded sweet enough for a while. This was before the advent of Perlon...
Cotton IS RIGHT!!
Thanks for all of the advice, I will definitely look into getting a heavy gauge string in the future.
I use the Goldbrokat E string. Definitely not $20.
Me too Paul. Excellent string. I still have about twenty dominant e strings in my underpants drawer. those are so awful Dominant was giving them away with the other strings here. Wonder if they still make those things…
When folks decry the Dominant E, do they mean the plain steel one, which I find no good, or the aluminium-wound one, which I actually like!
It puzzles me that some people have taken such a dislike to a string brand that most of the violin world were happy with for decades. In 40-odd years I've never felt any need to switch from the Dominant wound E, or the other three for that matter.
Jose, even if all string manufacturers were to get their wire from the same place, their results after further drawing, work hardening, heat treating, and possible plating could be quite different.
David,you are right too,
When the last of my pre-Xmas concerts is over (this weekend, actually - no thanks to Covid) I'll experiment with a light gauge classical guitar nylon E to see how it works out with the three Eudoxas. The feel of a nylon E under my fingers should be familiar since I played classical guitar for several years in far-off times. However, if the nylon string experiment turns out to be unsuccessful then the cost will be minuscule compared with other E strings.
Jose. one thing which was explained on the D'addario factory tour is that the objectives for bowed strings, and plucked instrument strings are very different, and therefor the products are usually quite different. D'addario manufactures both.
Trevor - that sounds like a radical experiment! Of course the guitar E string is normally an octave below the violin E so you may be better off with a ukelele string
Steve, I have already described this higher up this page..
Another vote for Cotton.
Oh yes, sorry Adrian and Trevor. It prompts me to ask, hasn't any manufacturer exploited unwound perlon as an alternative to gut strings?
I believe that between the core and the windings, there is a layer of resins to provide the damping that was found naturally in tressed gut strings. I imagine that these resins wear down before the synthetic core or the windings, causing tonal deterioration long before breakage.
Sorry I'm so thick - Adrian, please remind me what HIP stands for (I assume you don't mean Nigel Kennedy playing them in Pop Music fashion?)!
Maybe I can enlighten you - "historically informed performance"
There's hardly anything in the violin world which isn't "historically informed" to one extent or another, including dragging something across a string to get some sound out of it.
Following on from Adrian's last post, would it be feasible to remove the core from a perlon-cored string (presumably one that is ready for replacement) and use it as an E? Which string out of A, D and G would have a perlon core of size suitable for use as an E?
No. It's not a solid core, so it would just unravel. If you unwind a synthetic string you'll be left with a tangled mess of plastic strands.
Thank you Steve - I've not heard that phrase before, we use the word "period" for such things, but I think I can work out what it means.
Right. Nylon is one of the plastics often used for "self-lubricating" applications. It hasn't been very successful as a synthetic bow hair either, for the same reason.
I purchased a cello Incredibow (concave graphite-tube stick with nylon hair) long ago - pretty soon after introduction of the product. I think they lost my order and when finally filled they included a violin incredibow as well for FREE. So I do have some experience with rosined nylon hair:
"Nylon is one of the plastics often used for "self-lubricating" applications." Good point. (it has a low coefficient of friction)