Études Books Route vs. Complete Methods Books Route
I always hear you must study kreutzer, rode, mazas, etc. to be a very good violinist.
but if you just go though the Method books from start to finish you cannot be a good violinist too?
like take Auer's complete violin course, or Hohman books, or Maia Bang book, etc. they all teaches everything about the violin up to the most difficult things (i think)... but even so do you really MUST study the standart étude books like kreutzer, etc or if not you will not be a good violinist?
pieces by Bach, Beethoven, Mozart does need these etude books to be studied?
if so, what is the point of the Violin Methods after the first years? the last 8th, 10th book of a method is irrelevant because you will already be migrated to etude books?
i want your opinion about all of this... thanks in advance!
actually this is a really good question.
The materials themselves are only one piece of the puzzle.
As far as I know, there's no violin method out there that truly goes beyond an early intermediate level. The Maia Bang books stop at an early intermediate level (at least to judge by the volumes available on IMSLP).
I think that if you check it out you will find that the great players have worked with teachers and coaches for many years and may even continue some of those relationships into the early years of their professional careers.
I believe some of the method books advance too quickly and therefore technique is not fully developed sufficient to the repertoire that is presented in the highest-level books. Case in point: Suzuki. I think it would be pretty hard to play a creditable Mozart D Major Concerto with cadenzas (Book 9) with only the repertoire up through Book 8 (such as Bach A Minor and the Eccles Sonata) as preparation. Teachers therefore fill in the technical development either with additional repertoire (such as "Solos for Young Violinists" by Barbara Barber) and/or with scales and studies.
Pretty much no one seems to teach entire method book series (except for occasionally the ones that only have 3-4 books). Even the most die -hard Suzuki teachers pretty much all supplement with scales/etudes/additional repertoire at some point. They might teach all 10 books, but that’s not all they use.
Thanks for all the replies!
Of all the things that go into learning to play violin well, I'd rank the method book or etude book very low. There is a set of skills you must learn, and probably all of the well-known method books present most of them well, although probably in slightly different sequences or with different emphasis. Inside yourself is very important- hearing, hands, persistence, practice habits, etc. The teacher is more important than the books, the teacher shows you and corrects you and guides you. Most good teachers could probably teach you without a book if they chose to. If you have the chops to become a virtuoso, the books aren't going to matter. If you don't the books aren't going to matter, either. Your time would be better spent practicing than analyzing all these books!
I analyze because me, too, is a teacher, at least for new students on the instrument. I can teach up to suzuki 4 - level proficiency (the pupil can take A minor concerto very well) so i am searching for as much information as possible for how to teach with the best ways available.
The third book of the Joachim Violin School isn't a method book in its entirety. The first part of the book has commentary. The second part of the book is simply a collation of Joachim-edited works arranged in
There are no traditional method that is meant to be used without etudes on the side.
Not all teachers use etudes and teach everything from method books, for the rep, and other pieces. My teacher uses this approach and it works well...but I've no other experience with which to compare. I only see the results in my progress this last 2.5 years after a 45 year hiatus. I also have no delusions of becoming professional.
It is not an either/or question. Most will do both method series and etudes. I have had a few students go through all 5 books of Doflein, supplemented with etudes, Sevcik exercises and short solos. Etudes are like weight training for athletes. They feature one technical topic with a page or two of repetitions. Etudes can not be essential because there were great players before those books were written. I don't know of any quality player who has not spent time with Kreutzer.
"They say you can go all the way to virtuoso only using etudes and nothing more..."
Diego - it doesn't matter how you look at it, even the Henley wasn't intended as the sole material, even in his 10th book there are Cadenzas to concertos, but not the concertos. And he edited some etude books as well printed by Augener.