Review / Corilon violins
I bought a violin from Corilon violins. I am not happy with the transaction.
There is clearly the maker's label inside the violin, but they deliberately concealed the maker's name in their listing and description.
Later I searched on the Internet about the maker and the violins he made, it turned out that Corilon violins bought the very violin at an auction 2 month ago. After they got it, they changed a set of new strings and put it on their shop and eBay for sell at almost 4 times the cost. I agree that they can mark up the price at will, and of course they have to make money in doing business.
However, as we all know, the maker of a violin is one of the most important factors in determining the value of the violin. The original label of the maker is clearly there, but this most important information was deliberately concealed. This behavior is a profiteer.
I would not buy this violin at the price I paid if I knew the name of the maker in advance. The violin itself is fine, but I feels that Corilon's approach is a bit deceptive.
You bought it sight unseen? Without playing it?
When buying a violin without playing/seeing in person, chances are not in buyer's side to be happy with the purchase.
There are photos and audio clips on the listing for reference.
They have a 30-day return policy. Why don't you use it?
The 30 days had just passed when I found out the truth.
Sure, the 30 days had passed, but this is an extreme instance. Have you at least given them the chance to do right by you before posting this?
How expensive is this thing? If it's $300, then their skill at selection and the new strings go a long way to covering the markup. If it's a Grancino, that is a little different, but still covered by caveat emptor.
Even they sell for 10 times their cost, I have no complain at all, I think that is the way violin are traded. All of my complain is about the information regarding the maker, they know exactly who is the maker but they did not tell the potential buyers that piece of information. If you search the selling price records for this maker on line, you know the highest price ever sold is 5 apples, now they want to sell for 10 apples, and do not tell you who is the maker, because they know you would search and find how much this make's violin has been sold.
Well, they got someone to buy it when he didn't know anything about the maker-- and knew that he didn't know.
What Andrew said. I think that you should be having this discussion with Corilon, and not here. Nothing productive will come of airing your grievance here.
Ditto to Andrew and George’s comments regarding attribution. A label doesn’t prove anything. Plus if you’re looking up past auction prices of a given maker that doesn’t mean much as they give no indication of condition or playability. Furthermore, Corilon likely did more work than just swap strings. I reckon they polished it up, repaired a crack or two, cut a new bridge, adjusted the SP, etc. Have you searched for violins by this maker at other retail dealers? That would be a more accurate indication of retail value assuming the label is authentic. I am curious as to why they would not have referenced the label in their description. But I am even more curious as to what caused you to purchase this particular violin. I assume whatever it was has not changed and you did trial it for 30 days. So maybe it’s a perfectly good fiddle that suits your needs just fine. Sounds like you just think you were overcharged. Maybe you can take it to a local luthier/dealer and get it appraised?
That you don't think that the maker is worth the money means nothing in this cast, only that you had the violin for 30 days and thought that it was worth the price.
Do you have the website link of the violin and what price you paid? Did you contact them before you purchased it?
the title of this thread is misleading...it's not a review, and it's not well stated and is very confusing even what his complaint is. This is like the other thread about aliexpress- people who don't know how the world works, trying to be smart, then going character assassination in a public forum to gain some emotional relief when they're not happy. If you don't know how to buy a violin, maybe start a thread on that and learn!
Did you bring this up with Corilon, and if so, what did they say?
The old rule of thumb "auction prices are generally 50% of retail for a violin in that condition" is no longer true because many more musicians are competing with dealers at auctions than were in the past. Plus, the opportunities for dealers to locally conspire to keep prices down are fewer because the auctions are all online.
A few years ago, I was seriously considering buying a violin from Corilon. In this instance, they named the maker, and being curious, I googled the maker's name.
Tom, I totally agree with everything you stated with the additional factor that the dealer may have to wait years before they actually sell an instrument and realize any profit.