Ysaye vs Bach
I recently did mt first listem through of Ysaye's solos sonatas for solo violin (op.27). I really tried to find something to like in them, but I honestly couldn't. I much prefer his duo violin sonata (second movement is gorgeous). My question is do you prefer Bach's S&P's or Ysaye's sonatas? That can be to play or listen to.
I've only done 3 of Bach's S&P's but I much prefer them.
Some things are a lot more fun to play than they are to listen to.
Clearly the Bach is better. I adore the Ysaye though and think they’re very impressive for the audience.
to appreciate Ysaye 'sonatas i needed a lot of years..you have to start with 2nd sonata..(dedicated to Kreisler ,i think)...in 1st movement Ysaye remember Bach's 3rd partita...in 2nd movement He use a theme from protestant chorale..in 3rd movement there is a theme in pizzicato and variations in impressionistic style.last movement "le furies" is as artificia fires..
Maurizio, the 2nd sonata was dedicated to Jacques Thibaud, and (as Gingold told it), the first movement is rife with rests/fermatas as a tongue-in-cheek reference to Thibaud's occasional memory slips. Of course, the "Obsession" sonata and morbid Dies Irae material is all the more frightening knowing that Thibaud died on a plane crash in the French mountains.
I definitely prefer Ysaye a lot more than Bach. Fun story, I actually learned more Ysaye sonatas than Bach lol. Again, I have a weird taste...
Still plenty of time to go to learn the rest
I love both quite equally. I appreciate the Sonatas and Partitas for the masterpiece that they are, but I also really love the more modern sonatas written by Ysaye. I’ve listened to the entirety of both a number of times and have come to love both sets. I’ve played a nice chunk of the S&P but I’ve yet to actually learn any Ysaye ones. Hopefully I will soon. If I had to choose one I’d say I like the Ysaye sonatas just a tiny bit more. I just appreciate having something a little closer to our time to indulge in and eventually play.
They are two different musical languages.
Bach S&P are a lot more important for the violin repertoire than Ysaye. There’s no comparison. I’m sure Mr. Ysaye would agree too - and his sonatas are brilliant and original works. I recommend taking a listen to Oscar Shumsky and Yuval Yaron’s recordings of Bach and Ysaye. Really inspiring playing!
Nate, I listen to Shlomo Mintz's interpretations of both (he's one of my favourite violinists). But I haven't enjoyed anyones interpretations of Ysaye sonatas including Shlomo
I like Tedi Papavrami playing Ysaye (and Bach too).
It's heresy of course but when I hear the Bach S&P I can't help thinking there are too many notes, either sequential (unrelentingly) or simultaneous (nearly), to allow the violin to sing as it should. Ilya Kaler in Ysaye blows me away.
Andrew,thank you for precisation..very interesting..may be the 4th sonata was dedicaded to Kreisler