I was just curious and wanted to get some info on the repertoire performed when audition for the Juilliard school in New York City. What did you play?(what concerto, solo Bach, work after 1960, pag caprice, etc.) And were you accepted? Thank you!
My son is only a sophomore, so he is just starting to think about this. But I can share the pieces the other kids in his program played to audition for Juilliard (and most were accepted).
One thing to consider: I have had two teachers refuse to teach me the Dvorak Concerto without my even asking.
Wow Susan your answer was exactly what I was looking for, I’m currently a freshman in high school working on the bruch concerto and hope that I’m going to be able to get myself up too that “level” around when I go off to school.
Do you think something like vieuxtumps, or prokofiev would fair well in an audition?
I hope you get in. Then you can be like her:
Is where I'm at(Mozart and Bruch gm) too far of a stretch to get to the big concertos like Paganini, Tchaikovsky, and Sibelius in 4 years? I feel that I won't be good enough to even be considered at Juilliard, MSM, NEC, etc.
To add more context to your question, Aidan:
Sequentially, both kabalevsky and deberiot 9 come before most people are assigned their first Mozart concerto. One thing to keep in mind is that I have only been "playing" violin for a little bit less than 3 years, however I had played viola prior too and only very recently stopped. I had played through many etudes and pieces on viola up to hoffmeister(a classical concerto very similar to mozarts) so it was just a matter of putting in a little bit of extra work to "translate" the material learned on viola, for violin. Essentially what I'm saying is that I had already played through the deberiot and kabalevsky equivalents on viola.
I would say Prokofiev would be better received than Vieuxtemps, but either one would be OK if really well played. But I also think it will be hard to get to that level in the less than three years you have.
Keeping mind of semantics can help calibrate these kinds of discussions. When you say "ready for Bruch" that can mean two different things. If "doing a concerto" means preparing
At this level, I would consider viola and violin to be largely equivalent in technique. Hoffmeister is, afaik, an intermediate-level viola work. The equivalent of DeBeriot, Kabalevsky et.al. might be more along the lines of "Harold in Italy".
Funny you mentioned Harold in Italy, I actually recorded the Aux montagnes movement for a competition back in October before I put viola down, it's one of my favorites! But overall I get what you are saying, I have progressed a lot since this time last year.(I was barely able to play Telemann, yikes) I spend a lot of time practicing and Im just going to see where things fall over the next couple years. haha in fact my profile picture was taken during that recording session.
Aidan - you might want to consider what Buri said. He is very knowledgeable and experienced and writes with your best interests at heart.
Some fine posts but not having read every word, I want to make sure that at least these points are made:
You might consider reading this sobering account of a 2004 study of classical musicians ten years after graduation from Julliard in 1994: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/12/arts/music/the-juilliard-effect-ten-years-later.html. About a quarter of the class were no longer working as musicians. And about another quarter of those with musical careers were not working at the elite level one would anticipate. It's rough for even those at the top of the heap.
Not knocking Jocelyn's recommendation, but I'll bet that a pretty fair fraction of folks with a PhD in physics are not working as physicists ten years later. That doesn't mean the education wasn't useful. I think if I had the stuff to get into Juilliard as a high-schooler I would consider it seriously despite all the "warnings" about the job market. Any kid who's bright enough to become a violinist of that caliber can shift gears to business administration, medicine, or law. Of course all of that depends on having pretty much bottomless financial resources to pay for your schooling, but generally speaking Juilliard violin students are not originating from the ranks of the working poor. With an undergraduate degree from Juilliard you can expect the same job opportunities that anyone would have coming from a state university with a humanities degree such as political science, philosophy, or sociology.
Paul, this was funny to me: Last summer I was talking with the university Comp Sci department here to get my high school senior son permission to enroll in a restricted-access course as a non-degree student. They asked about his interests - physics and engineering - and I told them that I am strongly encouraging a certificate-level background in Comp Sci as a very useful tool in whatever technical path he follows.
High-prestige university / first-tier conservatory programs aren't all that uncommon. Off the top of my head:
Harvard-NEC is different from what I can tell, for three years you are mostly focused on the undergrad program at Harvard, while taking lessons from NEC faculty but not working on a performance degree. Fourth year is a transition year with increasing music involvement and recitals. But I expect most of these kids have already completed at least a semester or more of college work as AP classes. Once the undergrad degree is complete, you work on a masters degree in performance.
@Stan I agree it's hard to do a second entire degree after you've completed one. One of my friends from college earned a PhD in chemistry and then entered medical school and got an MD, and he's still in private medical practice and generally enjoying it. Of course all of those "extended educations" are harder for anyone with a family or perhaps having "fecund thoughts."
I had to take my mother to a dental surgeon - this is someone who has done both dentistry and a medical degree. While we were working through consent forms , ( I had to sign on behalf of my mother, so had to produce a power of attorney document) he said he also had a law degree. When I expressed surprise with a flippant comment, he added that also played piano. This man has practice premises in cities an hours drive apart.
Well, he does have a personal life; it's just devoted to productive "serious" hobbies. :-)
Oberlin’s program is double degree, not double major, and it is excellent.
It's important to understand, however, that a double degree does not mean 8 years of schooling or 30 credits every term because a lot of your general-education courses will double-count. The thing is that with a double-degree generally there are severe limits on that double-counting. This is why music performance is a good choice for a double degree, because music courses generally aren't going to count toward another program anyway (unless your other program is music education or such). What's always been unclear to me is whether the person on the receiving end of your transcript (when you apply for jobs) will be able to parse the difference between a double degree and a double major, and whether they will care. Sure, the double-degree is more rigorous but there are so many other things about you that I would expect to matter more -- like how well you play the violin if you're applying to an orchestra, or whether you have been productive in research if you're applying to graduate school in a STEM field (for example). Having said that, I would add that it's VERY hard to double major (or earn two concurrent degrees) in music performance together with any lab-intensive STEM field such as chemistry because of the time commitments and the schedule conflicts with labs.
In terms of a general CV, though, you will have two bachelor's degrees-- violin and, say, economics. If space is limited on the form, you could list the one that matters. And if an interviewer is confused, that is a chance to talk yourself up.
I do agree that having the two bachelor's degrees can hardly be a negative. The issue of being "overqualified" for any job or graduate program wouldn't apply.
Another extreme example would be: Albert Schweitzer. He had three earned doctorate degrees: Music, Theology, and Medicine.