Mozart 3 Tempo
I’ve officially finished the 3rd Mozart Violin Concerto first movement and it is at a good tempo however I’m currently doing it at 100-105 bpm, is this adequate speed for performance.
100 is a pretty good tempo, but for a performance it should be 112 or more.
Perlman plays it 111/112 bpm, Oistrakh plays faster. I prefer Perlmans.
I think it's an adequate speed.
Worth bearing in mind the metronome hadn't even been invented yet, so 111bpm would mean nothing to Mozart. Allegro - needs to be lively. Character more important than speed, but of course too slow and will be hard to pull off the character.
I think 111 is not "allegro" enough for Mozart 3, it is usually played (by those who can ;-) at 120 or just slightly above that.
Faster doesn't always mean harder. Like James said, slower is harder to pull of the character.
Lol. Am I the only old fashioned geezer that gets triggered by non-traditional metronome numbers like 111?
Think of it as 112 with a little Kentucky windage.
James, I tune my violin to 441, so I don't have to choose between 440 or 422. Does that trigger you?
David, not at all. I suppose different regions have always had their own tuning preferences, but the standard metronome markings are universal :)
Even though I use a digital metronome I love very much, I do not like using numbers that would not be attainable on the "limited/more restricted" metronomes of old. So I also do not use odd numbers, and do not go too high or too low either. For all practical purposes, we do not need to practice a scale in steps of three or one (52, 55, etc. 60, 61, 62, 63, etc.) Even numbers work out fine in my opinion, be it pairs, 4, 12, etc.
Yes, but it's always 440, or 442+. I never saw 441 being a standard.
Aidan - I think the real test is how you feel about the speed at which you are taking the piece. Does it sound the way you want it to? As someone pointed out, the metronome was not yet invented, and what Allegro might have meant to violinists of the day (other than fairly fast) in terms of modern metronome markings is unknown. The fact that Oistrakh or someone else took it at a particular speed should not be dispositive, although listening to the piece at other speeds can help you decide whether you like the speed at which you are taking it. Good luck!
Hummel and Czerny did make editions and arrangements of Mozart where they left their own metronome marks-- and they knew more of the style than anyone could hope to get today.
I was able to run through it at about 112-116 a few times, with only a few minor slips, and I enjoy the way it sounds at that tempo, and probably won’t go much faster or slower than there!
Also play through the orchestra parts in your head. It has to work for them, too. And between you and them, when you finally butt heads.
I was just setting the metronome to 120 and trying to imagine the music at that tempo. It seems rushed to me. I prefer a tempo around 110 such that the 16th's still have time to be heard as melody.
Totally agree, Albrecht.
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