Good pieces to learn after Bach Double
Hi, I am new to here, and I am also new to the violin. I am an adult violin starter/learner with classical piano background.
I am finishing up Bach Double 1st mvt from Suzuki Book 4, and my teacher is asking me what I want to learn next. My teacher said we won’t do any more Suzuki books. What would be good/appropriate pieces after Bach Double 1st mvt? I haven’t learned vibrato yet...
Thank you in advance for your time!
If you're finishing up the Bach Double in Suzuki book 4, that is the second violin part of the first movement. It's a good idea to learn the first violin part also. :-)
A few works around that level that work on different things...
BTW once you've got the vibrato down and if your teacher thinks your bow control is ready for the challenge, ask to go learn the 2nd mvt of Bach double. So amazingly lovely :)
Vivaldi G Minor is beautiful, although I heard many teachers skip Suzuki #5 for whatever reason.
I would play uhhhh, lets see what I did, Allegro by Fiocco. Or at least I think his name was that
Also, the Bach Double has three movements! Certainly you could play the second movement; the last movement is a bit tricky but that's another one to put on your list for the future. The Accolay Concerto is another option.
It's interesting you are leaving the Suzuki books after Book 4 and then the pieces people are recommending to you are pieces in Book 5. Actually I didn't think Book 5 was all that great, partly because I'm not wild about the Vivaldi G Minor, but Book 6 is fantastic. One nice piece in Book 5 is the Veracini Gigue, you need to do that.
La Folia is also a great piece for putting various bow strokes into action.
I had a book called "Fun with Solos" (compiled by Evelyn Avasharian) that was a nice complement to Suzuki around that time. I don't think the level of the pieces is harder than the Bach Double but if you haven't yet learned vibrato, it's probably about right. Good mix of styles and techniques in there.
I, and my colleagues, have always referred to this concerto as, "The Dark Bubble". Not for any satanic reason, just a play on words.
Thais' Meditation may be worthy of consideration.
Meditation will depend on whether certain technical stuff has been well established -- "romantic" shifting and especially vibrato (schmaltz generally), but it's also a good piece for working on all that. I would not do Meditation before you have done the Bach-Gounod Ave Maria.
I think most students learn vibrato, at least at a basic level, before they learn the Bach Double. (My son, who is in Suzuki Book 5, started learning it in book 3.) I think it would be best to spend a couple of months developing vibrato before moving on to new repertoire. Your teacher probably has a sequence of exercises for this. Then you could add vibrato to some of the slower pieces you've already learned.
Thank you, all, very much for your suggestions and advices! I checked all of them and I am getting excited. To be honest, I was feeling stuck in coming up with ideas without learning vibrato. I asked my teacher in May or April if I am ready for learning vibrato. My teacher said yes and s/he will teach me, but s/he seems too busy with teaching other stuff and we haven’t started vibrato yet.
If you want a preview on vibrato before the lesson, check out the vibrato tutorials by professorV on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zraCMnfqTso&list=PL2266F2353CEA4A34
Sung, thank you soooo much for the link! I’ve just watched it and it is eye-opening! I couldn’t wait for my teacher and I’ve been practicing alone using some books and information on the web, but it is very hard for someone like me who try vibrato for the first time...
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If you have not at this stage, this is not what you're asking but you should also consider increasing focus on etudes rather than tackling something too demanding. When I was at your stage, similar progression from Suzuki books, I ended up struggling in developing musicality as opposed to just playing the notes. In retrospect it was because I wasn't introduced to a steady regime of etudes and exercises to develop proper bow technique and dexterity as I should have earlier. Now at a later stage I have to take a recess, even going back in repertoire to catch up. I think this is where Suzuki falls short IMO.
I agree with Roger. Studies are good for you. After Suzuki Book 4 you can do Kayser.
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