I didn't have any intention of buying pyjamas for my violins, but I will if they are recommended. What do you think? Let's see if we can make this the longest vcom thread ever!
Good luck. This I think is the current record
And did you re-read Erik's post, Lyndon? ;-)
Only silk pajamas made from the mystical silkworm farm on Mount Fuji :)
I haven't decided on silk, Egyptian cotton, or winceyette.
My Chinese technician, Xi, came back from a trip home with two custom made red silk draw-string violin pyjamas.
I remember having a green silk or silky-velvet violin bag with a "tie-string closure at least a half-century ago. I came to the following conclusions:
I agree with Andy. I feel like dealing with the bag is an opportunity for butterfingers.
Another anti-bag vote here.
Won't it increase heat and humidity?
Hi Mary Ellen, pyjama is Hindustani/Persian - they came back from the colonies to England, so in that sense it is UK English ;)
OMG! The issue of "The Bag" has returned. Back when I began lessons violin bags were all the rage. The fact that I "think like an engineer" made me question the bag design with a drawstring closure at the top and that had to fit into the case where the surrounding area was smallest. With the help of a friend we designed an isosceles triangle shaped bag closed at scroll end (point) with a velcro closure at the bottom. We sewed a couple hundred of them and they sold! Then they went out of fashion. I think I gave away the last of them about a decade ago.
Elise - you've got it backwards. It is an American/British difference but the Hindi spelling is pajama, from pai jamah, so in this case the American usage is closer to the original.
OK Irene - so where does the word (spelled) pyjama come from?
Perhaps the Brits felt that it was unacceptably straightforward to spell a word with the vowel sound it uses.
"Perhaps the Brits felt that it was unacceptably straightforward to spell a word with the vowel sound it uses."
On the matter of violin bags, I agree with Andy's reasons. I have a silk one that I stopped using about six weeks after I bought it. Oh yes, being Canadian, I spell "pyjama" with a y.
I put my violin in the bag once, and was terrified I would damage my instrument. That was probably the last time...
I agree with Andy. My violin goes commando.
@Irene - The Hindi for "pyjama" is "???????" and the definition is
If "pai jamah" is pronounced "pie jama", then that would explain the spelling "pyjama".
The spelling differences may reflect local variations in pronunciation, beginning in the early 19th century when the word first made its way into the English language. George and Steve both make excellent points -- putting on my English professor hat :)
Perhaps the most reasonable use for a bag is for climate control when traveling, especially by air. Even then, it should be removed to avoid accidents when starting or finishing playing sessions.
Never mind violin pyjamas, hats are far more important!
Gordon, Parker - its not so complicated; if you take the over-night plane to England from the USA, you go to bed in pajamas and you wake up in pyjamas.
My local violin dealer/guru told me not to use The Bag because he has done so many repairs on instruments that were being bagged/unbagged, that he warns against ever using the bag at all.
Elise: That's funny! En France aussi, on se reveille dans "les pyjamas" :)
In Hindi, I believe it is pa-ja-ma...the consonants having the understood "ah" sound. But then again, I was a terrible Hindi student...
If the constants come from Sanskrit then we're almost certainly getting those wrong too.
If, as Gordon hoped, we want to make this into "the longest vcom thread ever", we're going to have to find something more interesting to talk about than violin bags and the spelling of pyjama . . .
It appears that pa/pyjamas are not favoured.
I use the duvet that came with my Bobelock case (along with the unused bag that also came with it)
My violin and viola are both neglected and are without duvets. I might make some... What are the best materials to use for the side touching the instrument? I suppose velvet for the top is fine.
The point of the duvet is supposedly to keep your bow frogs from continually bouncing their bony little bottoms along the lower bout of your violin.
Thanks for your reply Paul! I will have a look around some charity shops for some fabric and check out my local Drapers. This could be a fun Christmas project, its not like I have assignments due in January anyway...
Back in the day, I was once given an absurdly-soft diaper cloth for my violin (with spots, I think). No idea is such things can be found any more. Probably in old ducal estates in the UK, where the maids never toss anything out. Excellent choice for the blanket option, before one could easily get microfiber fabrics.
If you want to make this a longer thread then we could start using languages other than English...with no translation supplied !
Is diaper another word for nappy? I’m pretty sure you still can.
No-one tossed used nappies/diapers out until the disposable ones came along. You boiled the nappies every time they get soiled, then after the child grew up you had a nice set of strainers for cheese- or beer-making.
Terry towel nappies then.
"Why would the "duvet" come into contact with orchestra floors anyway?"
Not terry towel. But very soft cotton.
I'm Canadian, and I grew up with the spelling "pyjama", although I understand people who spell it "pajama", just as I allow for them leaving the U out of various words, like "colour", or spelling the verb "practise" the same as the noun "practice".
I always put the duvet in the case when the violin is out. I didn't observe what adult community orchestra players did but my children students would frequently carelessly toss them aside on the ground. Gradually I accumulated quite a few because they would forget that they were supposed to have one and not take it back next week. There are much reduced frequencies of abandonment of rosin, shoulder rest, the bow, the violin... (Sheet music and book abandonment tops even case blankets though.)
I keep my case's lid up and I put the duvet an inch or two over the zip, so that if I want to put my bow down, the hair won't get caught in the zip, as happened once.