My Stefano Scarampella violon: Original or copy ?

Edited: September 28, 2020, 5:02 PM · Hello,

This is my first post :)

Does this label looks like something you'd see on original Stefano Scarampella violin or a copy of his violin made by someone else?

JPD

Ps: sorry I don’t know how post pictures here..

https://app.photobucket.com/u/JPDubois/p/bfb8aabd-c8b9-447c-bb60-bf3c4c83e6f1
https://app.photobucket.com/u/JPDubois/p/f0148b31-5f8d-48ac-81da-38c55d3343ad
https://app.photobucket.com/u/JPDubois/p/406520e6-1665-4f60-9df3-e48f1fa6b98e

Replies (19)

September 28, 2020, 7:33 AM · Do you have a photo of the front?
September 28, 2020, 8:00 AM · Go to Maestronet, labels are the last thing to look at.
September 28, 2020, 9:37 AM · I'm not an expert, but I do know there are a lot of fake Scarampellas around. It's best to have it checked out by someone knowledgeable.
Edited: September 28, 2020, 4:58 PM · Case length: 356 mm
width of the upper part : 167 mm
width of the center part : 108 mm
width of the lower part : 205 mm
depth : 38mm
Length : 595 mm
Diapason : 195 mm
sleeve length : 135 mm

September 28, 2020, 9:58 AM · https://app.photobucket.com/u/JPDubois/p/406520e6-1665-4f60-9df3-e48f1fa6b98e
https://app.photobucket.com/u/JPDubois/p/b9d43bbd-57a3-4287-a476-a098c0cde78b
https://app.photobucket.com/u/JPDubois/p/0e8a6005-e699-432b-80f0-c0f208669f3c
September 28, 2020, 11:29 AM · Statistically the odds are heavily against it being genuine, but I like the scroll and the pattern of wear on the back looks real enough to keep your hopes alive. Only an expert will be able to tell you and they'll need to see it in the flesh
September 28, 2020, 11:35 AM · Maestronet.com Pegbox
September 28, 2020, 12:19 PM · If this is an attic violin from a pro or serious-amateur relative, it's possible it might be genuine. They weren't all that expensive a few decades ago, and an amateur making a good income (doctor, lawyer, etc.) could reasonably afford one. Take it to a big-city high-end violin shop for an identification -- though starting with Maestronet is a good idea.

If this is an eBay violin, chance of being genuine is close to zero.

Edited: September 28, 2020, 12:45 PM · The reason I asked to see the front of the violin was that I owned a Stefano Scarampella violin from 1954 to 1959 that had been my father's for about 20 years. It did not look anything like the one in these photos.

If you look at the range of SS violins here:
https://www.google.com/search?lr=&as_qdr=all&sxsrf=ALeKk03igsIo7czkS2e89k-J9zbJuCsrkg:1601313996648&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=Tarisio+Stefano+Scarampella&hl=en&sa=X&
ved=2ahUKEwjLpsa_r4zsAhXYi54KHVldCjUQjJkEegQIChAB&biw=1064&bih=675

you do not see any with similar attempts at antiquing. However you do see a wide range of appearance so maybe he did some of that. I don't know.

When I first looked at violins on ebay about 20 years ago there was a "Stefano Scarampella" listed (from Germany, I think) and going for about $14,000. It was a "dead ringer" for the one I had had. Of course, even as early as 20 years ago it seemed very difficult to find a SS violin that cheap. Actually, there was a lot of consternation on line at ebay at the time about the authenticity of that violin.

I wish I had kept that violin, because with all the things I have since learned about the maker and new strings, bridges, soundposts, etc., - and yes - even regraduation! I suspect it might have turned into something I liked - and it had been my Dad's, who died far too young. But the pittance I got for it 61 years ago did leave us debt-free after the birth of our first child.

Edited: September 28, 2020, 1:34 PM · I am not an expeert on scarampella either, but from the photos I have been able to find on Tarisio, this one isn't close.
-The F holes are completely wrong
-The muddy brown varnish looks wrong
-The antiquing looks fake, and bad

Not a "copy", except possibly for the label which I know nothing about.

Edited: September 28, 2020, 6:02 PM · I remember one was for sale in Toronto for $30,000.00 CDN back in 1987.It was hanging right beside the Cuypers which I eventually purchased.The Scarampella may as well been 30 million since I was a poor student at the RCM at the time barely existing on $105.00 a week.It was at Jaak Liivoja's shop.Fun times....
September 28, 2020, 3:23 PM · The varnish and general workmanship in these pictures are very different from the 2 Scarampellas I've played on for extended periods.
September 29, 2020, 1:34 AM · Jean Paul, can you tell us anything about the violin's history or where you bought it? The violin superficially looks to be "fresh" from the attic but it's very clean and the bridge looks new, so is the broken string cunning subterfuge?
September 29, 2020, 1:50 AM · Its not a Scarmpella copy at all, its a generic German production violin with a very fake Scarampella label.
September 29, 2020, 1:55 PM · Well Peter Ratcliff said it was french, he would know, he's a top expert. That means it is worth more than if it were German, maybe 2-3,000$$
September 30, 2020, 3:27 AM · Thank you very much for yours answers!
You are really adorables!
The violin is an inheritance from the grandfather. He is French and has traveled a lot in his life. He must have had it in the years 1900-1920.
The violin has been in the closet ever since.
September 30, 2020, 5:36 AM · For those here that do not know Mr.Ratcliff, he does dendrochronology work and by studying the patterns of wood grain uses it to help determine the violins age and provenance.

That was nice of Lyndon to have him look at your violin.

September 30, 2020, 11:48 AM · I was just quoting what Peter said on Maestronet
October 2, 2020, 3:41 AM · Ok. I do see the thread on Maestronet but I do not go there much.


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