Difficulty level of orchestral accompaniment
How would the following concerto movements rank in difficulty in terms of the orchestral accompaniment?
Mozart 5- mvt 1
Mozart 4- mvt 1
Lalo SE- mvt 1
Bruch- mvt 1
Bruch- mvt 3
SS 3- mvt 1
Wieniawski 2- mvt 1
Wieniawski 2- mvt 3
Mendelssohn- mvt 1
Mendelssohn- mvt 3
Scene de Ballet
Which pieces/movements, either from this list or not, have orchestral accompaniment parts on the easier side? I am asking because I want to choose my piece for my school's concerto competition, but I don't want orchestral accompaniment difficulty to count against me. Thanks!
The Zig is the easiest. You can always tell "violinist-composer" tripe because the accompaniment is total rubbish. Everything by Kreisler, for example.
Does every piece of music have no value if it's not a Bach/Beethoven/Wagner masterwork to you people? This is why classical music is declining, with less people that can actually remember pieces and don't just listen for relaxation or to feel classy.
This snobbish attitude is repulsive to the mainstream.
Xuanyuan Liu - What are you talking about? I see no "snobbish attitude" here.
“ because the accompaniment is total rubbish. Everything by Kreisler, for example.”
Paul's comment about "violinist composer tripe."
A lot of Kreisler works aren’t virtuosic... Most virtuoso violinists are performers first composer second...
Could of called it simple, or uninteresting.
Nicole, you can take a quick look at the orchestra scores on IMSLP.org and judge for yourself.
Sorry for being so triggered tho, Kreisler’s Beethoven sonata recordings are quite nice.
Paul, I hereby sentence you to DEATH!
LOL there is clearly a simple case of misunderstanding here.
To be fair, I read his comment as I woke up.
There's a filthy 1st violin part in the Bruch.
I'm surprised to see Kreisler listed in this way, as he himself was a very good pianist. Maybe he didn't anticipate having much time for rehearsal (how long DO you spend rehearsing encores?), so decided to keep the accompaniment simple?
Ths isn't going to help, but I could give you an example where the orchestral 1st violin part is more DIFFICULT technically than the solo viola part!
Mozart will be within many students' reach, but not necessarily in their grasp. It is very transparent.
The orchestra part for Lalo S. Esp. is very involved, for full orchestra. It is true to its title; a symphony with a big solo violin part. Most school and youth orchestras will have have trouble filling the Oboe, Bassoon, and French Horn sections with competent players.
I remember Glazunov being tricky mostly because of the flexibility needed to coordinate with the soloist.
Had I said "simple" or "uninteresting" instead of "tripe" you'd have bloviated all the same. Still you really wonder how a guy like Pablo Sarasate can write an absolutely stunningly original and intellectually challenging work like the Zig but then he can't write an orchestration to save his everlasting soul. Just saying.
There is a really hard part for the first violins at the end of the first movement of the Bruch. I soloed with my youth orchestra on that piece; unfortunately, I was also one of only two or three members of the first violin section who was capable of playing that nasty little tutti passage. It did not go well.
The problem with Mozart is that the parts aren't difficult but they have to be played precisely and rhythmically clean
From my experience, the ones on this list that are most likely to go well with a lower-level orchestra are Zigeunerweisen and Mendelssohn 3rd movement, though I've seen the latter get out of control.
Thanks for your responses! What about Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso? The accompaniment seems pretty simple but nobody has mentioned it in this thread. What are your thoughts on a decent HS orchestra being able to do it?
My son's never played IRC with orchestra so I don't have firsthand experience, but the accompaniment is really quiet simple as long as you have the required winds available. There are two difficult measures in the strings and maybe 3 in the winds, but very straightforward for the most part.
If I recall correctly, I&RC is pretty straightforward to accompany.