Least favorite concerto?
Mine is... idk
Probably the Tchaikovski Violin concerto in D major. The opening sounds like an audition piece or what someone would play when trying out a violin.
Tchaikovsky violin concerto. I find the last movement irritating, especially the slower second theme. (Not that I'll ever have any reason to learn it, seeing as I'm almost exclusively a violist.)
I hate to read unthinkingly negative opinions of pieces I love to death. Elgar indeed.
Andrew, which Stamitz do you mean? I rather like the slow movement of the D major Viola "Opus 1", and I wouldn't refuse to perform the rondo again.
Well, my first answer is anything by Viotti, but those are student concertos so I am not sure they count.
The Viotti Concertos are not student pieces-they are mature works of the period, even if mostly played by students nowadays. If they are, so are the Mozart, Bach, Lalo, Bruch, etc. The true student concertos are the Seitz, etc. I always find it amusing how modern taste "herd" mentality deems some concertos unworthy, when they were real favorites among the now deemed great composers.
I actually really like Paganini's music. His melodies are more like those of the Italian opera composers of his time, like Rossini. He has some beautiful
@Adalberto, I have to strongly disagree with you on Viotti. I've analyzed a few of them and they just are not constructed very well. They are sub-par compositions in my opinion. The melodies are lackluster; the form predictable. They have none of the elegance and galant style of Mozart. It has absolutely nothing to do with them being student concertos. There are plenty of student concertos I really like -- heck, I think Seitz #3 is awesome! And I have a fondness for Accolay, even if it is a bit hokey at the end.
The Brahms concerto. The last movement sounds out of place compared to the rest
I actually do like Seitz and the Accolay. I just do not think in terms of "student pieces" vs "masterworks", as the latter are especially constrained and limited in our modern days. There is plenty of DeBeriot that I like too (though I believe many of his works were also not initially pedagogical, as they are often seen now.)
Where does one even find performances of Paganini VCS beyond the second?
Salvatore Accardo recorded a full set of the six Paganinis that are quite lovley.
Massimo Quarta, and Accardo (twice) as Ms. Leong stated. I do like Accardo's earlier version with Dutoit better.
John, I am referring to the most frequently played Stamitz viola concerto, the D major Op. 1.
Andrew I enjoy the Stamitz D major. Although its my least favourite. The Benda F major and Hoffmeister B flat are superior in my opinion
Elgar-- occasionally, a violinist can spin gold from straw. I performed it once with Oscar Shumsky and heard some wonderful bits of magic in rehearsal. Unfortunately, it usually strikes me as like walking through mud in snow shoes, while singing all of Lloyd-Webber's worst tunes.
Another two thumbs up here for Viotti No. 22. Adalberto there is a great recording by Lola Bobesco on YouTube that you didn't link. Fairly telling that Grumiaux put it on the same album as the Beethoven!
A bit OT but I need to get this off my chest.
Hate those people, music is not just learning notes, there are interpretations. Bruch 3rd mov is not a student level work either! Some people shouldn't learn to play any instruments. I wouldn't wanna listen to an ignorant 13 year old play Bruch. Even within a single piece there are different levels of playing. Saw a comment on Sumina Studer's Mozart 3, it said that "I'm playing this at 12 years old, so why is she playing it?"
I enjoy Vieuxtemp's music as a whole. His viola stuff is pretty decent
Our particular dislikes reveal more about ourselves than the things we dislike. I dislike ostentatious displays of virtuosity (because I can't do it?) which means I get little pleasure from most violin music of the 19th century, violin sonatas excepted. There are only a few violin concerti from the romantic period in which I feel every note is musically justified. Beethoven's is surely the first and greatest "romantic" concerto, without a single superfluous note until his unwritten cadenza in which I hear him thinking "I suppose I'd better give this chap his chance to show off a bit". Mendelssohn's is another in which the player's technique is put entirely in the service of the music. After that it's hard to think of any until...Elgar.
Brahms Vc isn’t too showy, it has a beautiful orchestration.
In Brahms I’m too impressed by the music to be impressed by technique.
Yes, you're right, in the Brahms the virtuosity does have a clear musical purpose.
I didn't say it was showy
Was talking to Steve not you Watson
I don’t think I have a least favorite (although I haven’t warmed up to Berg or Schoenberg yet but I will give them another chance. I can’t get enough of Vivaldi). But I do have have a question. Does a concerto need to have more than one movement? Are there any one movement violin concertos? (Perhaps because a movement was lost or not completed by the composer, or there was a single movement by intention).
Apparently there is one by Amanda Maier who appears to be a Romantic composer
Vieuxtemps 5 is basically one movement, I believe he originally intended it to be so.
Isn't the Accolay concerto one movement?
Glazunov is a single movement.
There are a few that are continuous, but you could argue really have more than one movement. The Glazunov and Vieuxtemps 5 are continuous, but I would say are pretty clearly a few different movements. The Szymanowski 2 is continuous, but is really 2 movements split up by a cadenza. I had to look up the Bartok 1 to make sure, but it is clearly 2 separate movements which usually seem to be played with little to no pause between.
When is the world ready to accept Vieuxtemps 5 as a one movement concerto?
I mean there are three completely different characters, tempos, sets of markings in vieuxtemps 5. I would call that 3 movements.
Re: Viotti 22..
Vieuxtemps 5 is played like a single movement, even the length suggests so! Didn’t he write it for his students to use in auditions or something? Probably made it 3movement just to look like a real concerto!
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Xuanyuan have you been drinking?
Hydration is paramount!
I would love to learn Vieuxtemps 5, so virtuosic. I think 4 has a more interesting orchestration though. I can’t learn Wieniawski 1 anytime soon so Vieuxtemps seems like a good stopgap solution.
Xuanyuan, you might dig the Saint Saens 1st violin concerto, Op. 20. It's essentially a single movement.
Saint-Saens 1 is really nice
The Faure is a single movement. He used the material again in his string quartet, which I like a lot better,
I think, more correctly, he only got around to one movement. Sounds like an interesting curiosity, though.
Adrian, Viotti did NOT write student concertos.
Was just listening to Viotti's 29th to make sure of this supposed pompous quality to his music in his other concertos not named the 22nd. I did not find any such attributes, but then again my music taste is quite suspect, I suppose. His imprint, yes, but no such self-importance; while "no 22nd", I can imagine the audience of his time loving listening to Viotti perform it at his best.
Vieuxtemps went through a phase of Paganini admiration like how teens go through a phase of rebellion, they come out 3x as wise and 10x more ashamed.
The number of other composers that have used Paganini material ...
Well, I shall have to find more of Viotti's concertos to review my judgements. The ones imposed on my students were certainly void of musical sense: a sort of super Accolay.
Adalberto, it's always interesting to hear a different opinion. As a mom of a young violinist, I don't have a say in her repertoire selection so I am learning to live with composers outside of my personal preference and I am open to the possibility that perhaps one day, I'll actually like these composers.
Kiki I think thats the best way to be haha
"As a mom of a young violinist, I don't have a say in her repertoire selection..."
Viotti concerto no.69 op.420 is a nice one. Beautiful harmonies and melodies, good orchestration and a nice flex.
Sorry for the dead meme guys, I have no idea why this meme became the big funny of 2019.
I'll bet most violinists don't know how many concertos Viotti wrote without looking it up. Quite a few! Still, it's not a sin to be prolific. Look at Bach, Vivaldi, Schubert. I think if I were a young student studying composition I would forget about trying to find "my own voice" which nobody would probably listen to anyway and I'd figure out what made guys like Mendelssohn really tick. And I'd write another Mendelssohn concerto. Probably it would never be performed though. It wouldn't be hard enough and people would assume it's a "student" concerto.
A Student Concerto is not necessarily easy, it's just mindless.
Just downloaded all 31 concertos from a U-Toob playlist. Stop.
It would probably be taken more seriously if it has some left-hand pizzicato in it.
Nah, left hand pizz is easy.
I'm not that mad keen on De Beriot, but if Berio had written one, I think it would make it to my hate list. I've not listened to Tartiniana, but I suspect, from my experience of Dallapiccola's Vivaldi realizations, that it might make it too.
I actually like DeBeriot's Scene de Ballet. :P He was an important teacher to be sure.
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