Authentic Hopf??

Edited: May 1, 2020, 12:23 AM · Hi all, I have recently dug up this Hopf labeled violin that, based on my research, seems to be legitimate. It resembles the "Hopf Meisterviolin um 1800" yet I am unsure. It was repaired in the 1980's, so bare in mind some non-frame features may be slightly different.

Here are some pictures of it:

Do you guys think it's legit?

Thanks very much for your help!








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Edited: May 1, 2020, 12:30 AM · looks like a later mass produced model, less than 5% of Hopfs are actual Hopf family products
May 1, 2020, 12:55 AM · I agree with Lyndon; I’d guess late 1800s, factory made. However some of those were good violins, they had several quality levels. If it has an integral bass bar that’s a sure sign it’s one of the lower quality models though.
May 1, 2020, 1:05 AM · there were no violin factories in late 1800s Germany, they were made in villages by people working at home.

Integral bass bars have nothing to do with quality and entirely to do with regional styles, in Markneukirchen all the high grade violins would have had integral bars from 1850 and before

May 1, 2020, 3:12 AM · Lyndon, you definitely know a lot more about this than I do. Compared to something like the huge JTL factory, you’re right. I really should have said workshop instead; the Hopf family did have a number of workshops making instruments around that time, with a member of the Hopf family in residence.

So even an “authentic” Hopf probably wasn’t made by a member of the family, as you said only 5% are.

As for the bass bar, I was only referring to the inexpensive Hopf stamped violins that were made for export from the late 1800s. The cheaper instruments were poorly graduated and all had integral bass bars, whereas the most expensive model did not. I didn’t mean it as a general guideline at all.

But back to the OPs question, I would say it’s very unlikely that this was made by a member of the Hopf family, and definitely not in the early 1800s.

May 1, 2020, 3:26 AM · all the instruments being produced in Markneukirchen and Klingenthal, good and bad, had integral bass bars, they didn't disappear till around 1900
May 1, 2020, 11:51 AM · Thank you guys very much, Lyndon and Richard, great to know
May 1, 2020, 11:52 AM · Your violin probably dates from the second half of the 1800s IMHO
May 1, 2020, 11:56 AM · Even if though it is inauthentic, so to speak, its still pretty cool to have a violin with that much history
May 1, 2020, 11:59 AM · Interesting discussion. It seems to me that an integral bass bar would be more difficult and time-consuming to produce. If true, what was the rationale for doing it? What happens to an integral bass bar if the top is regraded?
May 1, 2020, 12:25 PM · While I'm at it, and sorry if this is growing bothersome, can you guys tell if this is an authentic John Juzek?

It's from Upstate New York, which is promising as I know New York was the only export for John Juzek's. It is labeled 1923.





The integral bass bar is an interesting topic! Sorry if I interrupted it in any way, thanks again for your help all

May 1, 2020, 12:26 PM · These discussions are very fun
May 1, 2020, 12:30 PM · That looks like a real Juzek but one of the cheaper models worth only a few hundred maybe.
Edited: May 1, 2020, 12:34 PM · One of the student editions?

What are some tell tale signs of the more high end John Juzek prague models from around the 20's?

I have been researching them and have found a few but public knowledge on his violins seems to be super limited.

May 1, 2020, 12:37 PM · It's quite hard to differentiate the higher end ones and the lower end ones for me.
May 1, 2020, 12:42 PM · The high end ones are labeled Master Art, the cheaper ones are quite average and nothing special at all, just cheap mass produced Czech violins

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