Perfect Pitch training app. Looking for feedback
Hi, my name is Dmitry. I play fingerstyle guitar and I am self-learning to play violin. I am also a indie iOS developer and I build apps for musicians. My latest app is a perfect pitch training app. The app is currently in the Beta testing phase. I am currently looking for beta testers who can give me valuable feedback. I saw a discussion here on this forum about PP, so I thought maybe there is someone who would be interested to try the app.
If you interested, you can join the testing using this link. https://testflight.apple.com/join/3zp30Bg6
It is completely free, btw.
If you join, please write a comment so I know that my post here made sense.
Pfft. Apple. Let us know when you have something for Android.
I second Paul's comment. I would like to try it out but don't have an Apple device.
Let me know when you have an app for untraining it!! I'll be the first to try
Android user here.
An apple a day keeps the poor away. (joke)
Hi, I’d rather not give TestFlight permission to send me beta-versions of all kinds of apps, all the time, so I won’t participate.
Emily F, TestFlight will not get permission to send you all kinds of apps. It will only send you the apps that you decided to test. And you can stop testing any app at any time. Just go to the TestFlight and for the corresponding app, tap on "Stop testing" button. After that you will not see any notification about this app.
For now only a iOS version. No android. Sorry. I am working on my own and don't have time to build for two platforms simultaneously. Maybe later..
Just wondering... OP, do you already have perfect pitch, or did you manage to gain it after using the app?
Good question, James Dong. No, I don't have PP. Partially, I have build the app for myself and my kids. It is not a complex app in terms of implementation. It took me about 3 month to build it. My kids and I just started to practice using the app about 2 weeks ago when the app was in a somewhat finished state. So speaking of my own progress: currently I can not instantly identify a pitch that is played to me, but I found out that I can quite accurately recall some pitches without any previous tonic preparation. F note for some reason is the simplest for me to recall. Also my younger daughter (4 yo) could reproduce very accurately the sequence G-A-B-C. So the results for now are far from the real Perfect Pitch but it looks like there are some positive progress.
@Emily F -- I can verify what Dmitry is saying. I'm a beta tester for one single iOS app, and they use TestFlight and I have never gotten anything from TestFlight other than notification that a newer version of the single app I'm beta-testing is ready to install. They don't randomly send people beta versions of software they're not signed up to test.
I just released the app. It is now available on the App Store https://apps.apple.com/us/app/absolute-develop-perfect-pitch/id1497780766
I don't have PP but I'm unsure if it's a blessing or a curse. Many musicians with PP report their discomfort when obliged to play at a pitch removed from the one they are "perfect" with. I were you I wouldn't inflict it on any impressionable person without a lot of thought.
Steve I've seen numerous talented musicians who are aided by the gift of perfect pitch. Not that you can't be a talented musician without it, but I think it's quite a useful skill, perhaps not without a downside as you suggest, but what in life comes without a downside?
Note Bruno Lunkes's post above! I guess it depends what you want to do with your musical life, but by the time you're mature enough to make an informed choice it's probably too late to acquire more than a very partial PP. I can't help thinking most of us evolved (or acquired) a floating relative pitch system for a good reason. Singing in a not-very-good a capella choir must be agony for anyone with PP.
My perfect pitch used to be perfect, but now it's definitely rusty. But it isn't just musicians that have it - Apparently police employees can recognise when the pitch the equipment they use gives is different from usual.
That is interesting. I've often wondered if it's a talent that most people are born with but that exposure to music of variable pitch usually erodes. Many people think PP is the ability to name notes, but of course that can only come with experience.
Time spent chasing perfect pitch is time better spent working with a metronome, working on bow distribution, shifting, double stops, memorization, scales, vibrato, spicatto.
@Scott - I agree that the pursuit of PP is unlikely to be profitable. Colour isn't fixed by physics but it is fixed by nature. Pitch isn't fixed by physics either, but nature..? Those of us without PP may be just like the colour-blind...
PP is definitely a curse. Specially considering I also play baroque violin. It is a mental puzzle everytime I have to play in a different pitch, or whenever I have to transpose something. Don't even get me started on playing chamber music... There really is no much use other than being able to tell what was the pitch of a honk. I regret having trained it!!! I'd much rather have a strong relative pitch.
This is a crazy idea. Perfect pitch is a silly concept, a party trick, and the equivalent of having an amplifier that goes to 11 rather than 10 (if you're familiar with the joke).
Before starting to work on the app, during the research phase on the subject, I read tons of posts on different forums where people were arguing whether PP is a blessing or curse. I don't have any desire to participate in this kind of discussion. Partly because I don't have perfect pitch myself, and can not currently fully estimate all the pros and cons of having this ability. So I could only give my current personal opinions about the subject which could change in future.
I agree with Scott. Perfect pitch and a dollar buys you a coke.
“I think most will agree that the highest form of manifestation of music talent is music composition.”
I've stated my opinion on PP on many previous threads, but I'll repeat it again. PP is NOT just a party trick. Is it necessary in order to succeed in today's musical world? Absolutely not. But to deny that being able to hear pitches at command in your head is not helpful is completely wrong. Imagine you are practising a concerto or sonata at home, and you are able to hear all the notes of the orchestra or piano part. Not only is it extremely pleasurable to have a virtual practice partner in 'HD', but hearing the exact harmony in all parts can positively influence your decision making.
"But to deny that being able to hear pitches at command in your head is not helpful is completely wrong."
"3. I don't see how having PP could conflict with or prevent you from acquiring RP. "
How does someone who has perfect pitch play *both* scale passages AND double-stops?
I don't think perfect pitch is all that relevant to composition either. It's much more important to think in terms of what is idiomatic for each instrument.
To Dmitry and your request for feedback, I can't see your app since it's on iOS but I can share some thoughts based on my limited experience and interest in this subject.
Having been first to raise the hare I'm enjoying following the hunt! I'm sure all strong opinions as to the value and disadvantages of PP are honestly held, but am happy myself to remain on the fence. It seems to be pretty well established that PP isn't necessary in order to be a competent musician of any species, but for several years I turned the pages for a very fine violinist and orchestral leader who took great glee in giving the A to the strings (or any note to the conductor) from memory. Her cheerful commitment to an orchestra of amateurs clearly showed she was also able to tolerate standards of tuning far below those she would more often be in contact with. It was as if she could choose to exploit her PP or ignore it at will.
I think that the topicstarter could have been familiar with the discussion about PP develop on the site http://www.musicforums.ru, which took 5 streams from 2008 until its natural death in 2016(!), when it finally became clear that NO ONE of the participants didn't get PP using materials on its development from D. Burge and P. Berezhansky. In other words, it turned out PRACTICALLY that it was A BLUFF! However, there was evidence that some participants in the streams used these materials with young children (2–3 years of age) with a positive result.Conclusion: the one who writes and reads this was late for the train!
As I mentioned above, I have a very strong relative pitch. No way, that can be lost. I am so focused on intervals, even as a young child, I could name every interval, easily, because they have always meant so much to me.
Scott, I agree that there are many other skills which are more important in order to become a successful musician. I suppose it's the kind of snarky comments that people like to make such as:
"'Perfect pitch? It's like working really, really hard to learn to ride a unicycle. Ok,mazeltov--you can ride a unicycle. So?'"
Scott, do you have a problem with me? I don't understand why people on violinist.com feel the need to write so sarcastically nowadays.
James is right. I had a snarky line too. "Perfect pitch and a dollar buys you a coke."
Actually Paul, I wasn't referring to you, but rather Herman West. I know by now that that's simply the way you write, so it never surprises me nor rubs off the wrong way on me.
James in an earlier comment you wrote something about being able to "hear" the accompanying harmony lines while practicing a solo part, as being connected to perfect pitch. Isn't relative pitch enough for that?
I think it depends on how many lines there are at the same time, and the complexity of each line. If one trains relative pitch to the highest level, then it will definitely be enough to help them in this area. The problem is that it requires much more work, and it's work that few have had the opportunity to study, and are willing to put in the effort.
Just came across this, fun to watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v458FSAhYfM
I have perfect pitch and I find it very useful when I have to pick high notes out of nowhere - I know what I'm aiming for. Also got me through theory class dictations without having to work that much. I've never had a problem adjusting to the pitch around me. Transposing is weird and hard for me, but I don't actually ever have to do it, so..
I don't get it. Someone posts looking for feedback on their perfect pitch training app, and a whole bunch of people turn up to opine about how they think perfect pitch is a curse, or not worth training. Why? Especially if you don't have perfect pitch yourself, why the need to make a bunch of opinion-based assertions to dismiss the entire idea?
Exactly. How can I possibly take anyone's opinion seriously if they dismiss the entire idea with nothing but criticism without actually having perfect pitch? Sorry that this is one of the first threads you've had to see Oisin...
Lately some threads are morphing from discussions into tournaments; is it the weather, or global events? Expect a variety of opinions, and you will never be disappointed!
Thanks James, your earlier post was refreshing (and I'm stealing the phrase "perfect-pitch shaming" :).
Well James and Oisin, if we all stuck rigidly to the topic there'd be no discussion at all. Another forum I occasionally contribute to is rigorously policed by the moderators, with the effect that the level of discussion rarely rises above the trivial.
Steve, I think there has been a difference between the comments from the people 'against' me. Some have simply said that it's 'a party trick' or other things which detail it's uselessness. It's much harder for me to make my points clear since I am literally against the entire field here... On the other hand, Jean Dubuisson asks why I think the way I do, and I gladly explain. Isn't that a better discussion? As for my comment about perfect pitch shaming, yes I agree that shaming is not actually taking place, but it almost feels like it. Perhaps, perfect pitch belittling. Anyway that's why I was very careful to phrase it the way I did: 'This honestly feels like a new far-left movement I want to call 'perfect-pitch shaming'...' Using words like 'want' and 'feel', I try to give the impression that it's all hypothetical, and that I was just thinking out loud. But I probably won't do that again, just like I won't mention Jordan Peterson's name...
James - It's easy to get sucked into these debates where as much foolishness is written as sense. I certainly agree with you that PP is far more than just a "party trick". I simply wouldn't give any credence to someone who thinks everything outside their own experience is chicanery
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