Left hand position
I'm 16 and I have been playing the violin for over 10 years now. As a beginner I did it mostly for satisfaction and I certainly wasn't serious about it, things have chainged now. Since I wasn't very persistent with my practicing in the past and unfortunately, yet logically, that has an effect on my playing to this day.. A negative one as expected. I have had quite a bit of trouble with my bowing arm-I've corrected a lot of things that I had learned incorrectly, now that I go to a different teacher, but that whole experience has changed me, I think for good(although thats arguable) - it made me extremely analytic. I'm not here to discuss bowing arm now, but rather talk about a violinist. Augustin Hadelich in particular. In a thread about 10ths that i read recently here, somebody wrote that in order to execute tenths we might as well adopt that kind of guitar/cello hand position to have easier time playing tenths. I've looked at his left hand and I've compared it with other violinists' left hands and I can say there is a difference, feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken. What I want to know is is there really a difference or am I simply blind, and if there really is is it something wrong, something helpful, something that could cause damage to players who play like this, would you recommend playing like that and overall discuss that.
If you have a particular time in a particular video, that would be helpful in illustrating your point.
Of course. https://youtu.be/qwURbkxB4SU
I'm sure there are different hand positions for playing tenths based on hand size and shape.
Thank you very much for your response. I had great time reading the thread and I'm glad you showed it to me. On the other hand I'm sorry for bringing up an already discussed question.
I thought that was a Menuhinism, and one he recommended in his book (correct me if I'm wrong). I can't do 99% of the things Hadelich can do, and that strikes me as an uncommon way to play, but he looks relaxed doing it and sounds like a million bucks, so I guess the old saying goes, "quod licet iovi non licet bovi". It looks like it would be exceedingly uncomfortable for me.
My internet connection is ultra slow at present, and disappears every few minutes, and so in can't watch U-toob!
Fascinating. And Augustin Hadelich seems to have always played this way: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SropORfplQ
There are any number of teachers, including Menuhin, who forswear any contact of the index finger on the neck - fingertip on fingerboard excluded of course.
To start with:
I may even have a slightly wider gap when on the highest string, to have the index less bunched up and a more supple vibrato. The thumb slips a little more under the neck.
That's it! "Hands are as different as....."
If you have your thumb like this lady (4:30) you won't have your index aside the neck: (I also like her vibrato) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8KkCViYq2c
Thanks Jeewon! Maybe we're all good for the 20th century now!
Thanks for that link Bud, an interesting book, if only for the forceful language and as a somewhat "outsider" perspective and complement to the classic books of Flesch and Auer, which are all more or less from the same time period. A gem of a sentence referring to the lack of smooth bow changes: "Many violinists have a jerk in their playing, and are unconscious of having such a fault; indeed in some instances the suggestion that it is present is not very gracefully received" :-)
Isn't chin+shoulder hold the default these days? I think it's quite damaging (and not required).
My two centimes d'Euro again, in case it helps someone..
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