How to practice tenths
What are the common ways in which students are introduced to tenths? Are there certain etudes or technical exercises (or pieces even) that teachers commonly use?
Thanks in advance!
Starting with the octave "frame", we open the hand both ways, adopting a 'cello or guitar-like spread; with the base line of the knuckles probably parallel to, and away from, the fingerboard. The elbow may have to swing further to the right. Painful!
I was taught, and teach my students, to start with the the hand in position for the top (pinky) note and then to stretch my first finger back.
Thanks all for the advice! Are there any etudes or pedagogical exercises (by say, Schradieck) that focus on tenths though?
@Jeewon why are fingered octaves a prerequisite?
If you have mastered the stretching required to play fingered octaves, tenths become much easier.
I have been taught to move my thumb under the neck for 10ths, which helps me stay more relaxed, while for fingered octaves, I keep it about in the regular place on the left side of the neck. Your mileage may vary.
Fingered octaves are incredibly useful in a ton of contexts and are well worth practicing.
I would do it in the following steps:
Aren't 10ths at the beginning of Wieniawaki 1?
Would anyone recommend trying to play tenths (or any compound intervals) in higher positions to avoid the extra stretches involved? For example, instead of E natural (D string) and G natural (A string), use G and D strings in fifth position. I guess you lose a little brilliance but maybe easier to tune (?).
Raymond I think that would be my go to. My previous teacher said to try and make things as easy for yourself as possible
No you can't cheat by playing them in higher positions. It just won't sound right. Sorry to burst your bubble there.
Maybe it's helpful to practice tenths on the viola and then try them on the violin.
Or the bass.
Okay thanks all for the helpful advice!! :)
I find discussions about 10ths and fingered octaves to be humbling. In the low positions I have never been able to do the Major 10th. I can do the minor 10th as 1/2 step extension of the fourth finger plus a whole-step extension of the first finger. I don't trust my 2-4 octave to be in tune in performance because of the extreme stress to my hand. I consoled myself by re-reading this from Leopold Auer's little book: "Fingered octaves are... a product of the last quarter of the past [19th] century.... None of my teachers [Dont, Joachim] ever made me practice fingered octaves.... It was not until later that... Wilhelmj..introduced a scale of doubled fingered octaves... But to play them... one would need his giant hand and his long,slender fingers."
Joel Quivey, or you need to start on them before your ninth birthday. No sleepovers!
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