Good E string combination
Hello colleagues and friends, I was wondering what usually a good combination between E string and the rest of them. Usually I use dominant and Jargar blue. Thanks
Dominants and Goldbrokat, Dominants and Pirastro Gold E. I think those are the most used combinations.
Dominants and Priastro E seem to be a standard set up in my musical circles, however, there is a growing support for Warchal Ambers with a Hill E.
I used to have Obligatos with Hill E. Warchal Ambers are a cheaper alternative to Obligato, right?
Bridge protector tube is not needed if the bridge is protected with a piece of parchment.
@Tony Piece of parchment, most people don't have it and from my experience, the bridge protector tube helps preventing whistling. I also heard a maker say it on youtube.
In almost 20 years of violin playing I don't think I've ever had an E string whistle, and don't even know what it sounds like. I've used many brands over that period and am currently using Goldbrokat and Warchal Amber Es on my two violins. What causes whistling?
What causes E-string whistling? The two causes that I have observed are 1) Moving on a down-bow slur from an A-string note to open E too lightly, without enough force to start the E vibrating at its full length. 2) A finger on an A-string note accidentally touches the open E. The Warchal Amber E works. Another advantage of the Goldbrokat strings is that they are cheap. They also make a gold-plated version.
Whistling is not just uncorrect technique, it happens when you do everything right and it happens to the best. Sometimes to avoid wistling you have to play actual "wrong" technique.
I would assume anything between the string and the wood changes the vibration. Correctly installed string with tube (no overhang on the vibrating side of string) does perhaps the least damage.
Parchment has no effect on the sound at all, when done correctly. It perfectly takes the shape of the bridge and has an immeasurably small weight.
Immeasurably small weight but still something that's there.
Hm? Parchment is a 2-minute DIY anyone can do. You don't even really need the special animal hide, as any thick wax paper will do. Cut out a little square, add a drop of super glue, and bam—parchment.
Thank you all for the explanation of the whistling E phenomenon. I have my Suzuki-trained teacher to thank for not experiencing the whistling first hand.
You can't add parchment without first lowering the e string groove the thickness of the parchment paper, then if you ever need to adjust the string heights, you're screwed without completely redoing the parchment.
I think Lyndon has a good point. However if your playing is entirely in the lowest octave of the strings the effect of the slightly higher E string should be minimal for the left hand. If it doesn't bother your bowing it should be entirely OK.
"whistle occurs when...the string starts to vibrate on its longitudinal axis".
Rather the opposite. Wound E strings have less tendency to whistle. I think the less uniform surface on the wound strain helps the bow grab it. Probably the same effect that causes the Amber E to not whistle. The little waves left after stretching the spiral out helps the bow grab the string. I make a similar spiral on whatever E string I put on my violin. It even prevents the gold plated Oliv E from whistling.
Not an answer to the OP, but the worst whistling that I've ever encountered with an E string is the Peter Infeld Platinum. Changed that out, and have not had a whistle since.
It seems a common practice to mix in different E strings, yet I have wondered why we do/have to do that. In theory string makers go to great lengths to balance all the strings in a set and one would think an entire set would be optimum, yet it rarely is.
I find that the little tube to prevent whistling actually changes string height a little. My violin’s bridge is already pretty short though, any change would probably be more noticeable. This is with pi platinum e, paired with Evah Pirazzi gold.
What a world!
This may be a good place to post this link. Obviously it must be taken with a pinch of salt, unless the claims have all come from interviews.
I love my Dominant D.
A vote for Jargar Forte "E". It looks like I'm alone on this one.
@Tony Anzlovar.. try the heavy gimped D string that Gamut strings also makes. It’s a part of the Academie strings line instead of the Heifetz set. I also had trouble with the plain D from the Heifetz set but the gimped one has a much quicker response and a brighter sound, even though it’s slightly lower tension. Hopefully that helps you
I think E strings generally are less prone to whistling than they once were back in the 60s and 70s. Better materials and long experience by manufacturers, no doubt. That said, I gave up on gold-plated strings long ago because of their proneness to whistling. The common tin-plated brands seem good.
Golbrokat E (gold) has been my favorite E string lately. I use it on 2 of my violins where I use Obligato G,D,and A. I find the Obligato E string not quite matching the other Obligate strings, at least on my violins. I have another violin where I use Pirastro Oliv G,D, and A, with an Evah Pirazzi gold E string, although I may try to use Goldbrokat on that too.
Re whistling, it is often caused by a twisting force on the string when the violin bow is moving from lower strings to the E. That's why whistles can be such a problem when you play Bach with chords that involve an open E. It's not necessarily faulty technique. In fact when you try to prevent whistles by landing HARD on the E -- that can give you the wrong sound.
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This has been an interesting discussion. There have been some great inputs. Ordabek, I will give you my suggestions shortly but first some background.
Larry, I love gut strings personally! Olives strings, I used to play on them, but I remember I took couple orchestra auditions where the tuning went both directions because of the temperature from the moment when you walk from your warmup room to backstage and then to the stage, yeah, it was not great in that matter. Yes, I will try it and will let you know. Please, keep sharing your stories and experience, I enjoy reading them! Cheers colleagues and stay safe with corona virus ?? thing ????
E strings are best chosen by getting a huge sampler and trying them one after another. They're personal and somewhat unpredictable.
In wake of the Corona virus I figured most gigs will be cancelled, so I can safely go back to my experimenting with gut strings.
With as an overall lower tension set-up with Dominants in G, silver D, A, I find with varying instruments in the shop I'm able to find a generally happy tonal medium with either:
I think maybe anything but the daddario anti whistle e should be good.