Hi, I have to revive my tuning app/ tuner discussion as the names of the tuner programs are lost.
So to sum it up shortly (though being short isnot my forte ;) ) is that I cannot tune to perfect fifths and my girl of early 4 years old needs a violin that is tuned just right as she is developing her ear very fast in the direction of perfect pitch.
I know the theory and have tried to listen to perfect fifths to no avail. Did all that was suggested in the last thread but I simply just cannot hear it. i know it is hard for all of you to understand that I just dont hear the perfect fifths even though I do have a strong musical backround in piano, but I just dont, Im more that sorry myself that I dont have the ability. Maybe it develops but the thing is my girl needs the prefect tuning now, so I need an app or a machine with a needle to show Pythagorean tuning.
So please if any of you beginners are using one or any of you know a good one, preferably something that can be used also outdoors where there are more noise, please let me know. I can buy a machine to carry with us also, but it needs to have a needle or a curve so that I still continue to use my ear too in the vain hope that it might become better in time. Currently I use tuner lite app, but it doesnt do pythagorean tuning.
The other option is to get a list of Hz frequencies for every note lol.
And to add that encouraged by you, I let her once try to tune the e string herself, she can tune it just by ear to about +/- 10 now, but doesnt make it to just right yet but she yet doesnt play two string at the same time and she had dificulty in turning the fine tuner. So she cannot do this herself yet, but needs my assistance both in turning the finetuners and also getting it just right.
ClearTune is my first recommendation for iOS and Android. Only $3.99.
ClearTune is a great app I use everyday for practice, rehearsals, and concerts. Well worth the money.
Gene, thank you. Cleartune looks simple enough, didnt really understand iStroboSoft, probably as I have no clue on what a physical strobe tuner is. Is it something that I should learn?
Dorian, thank you, yes the small violin, allthough it is a very good one, is difficult to tune and goes out of tune quickly too.
D'Addario NS micro violin tuner hands down. I use one and I love it.
Gautam, thank you, so Snark and dAddario are similar tuners? Anyone knows them both to say which is better and more accurate? Both have good reviews on amazon.
I use InsTuner. Don't remember the upgrade cost (maybe $3.99?) from the free version. I like it well enough to keep using it.
I've been using gStrings (Android) for about 2 years and it does the job well enough. It's free with ads and I think you can buy it ad-free.
I don't think you'd like the D'Addario micro tuner as it doesn't show the frequency or cents directly or allow for anything but equal temperament. It is good in noisy environments because of its contact mic, but otherwise I don't think it'll really help you improve tuning the way you want to.
Forget all that stuff about "cents." By the time your technique and your general pitch sense are good enough that it matters which "temperament" you tune to, your ear will be good enough to tune just your A to a tuner and the rest of the strings by fifths. That's how this works: Your need for precision in tuning evolves parallel to your skill.
While an electronic tuner might be your only option if you simply can't tune by ear, I don't think any tuner can be as accurate as tuning perfect beatless fifths by ear, by all means learn how to do this if you possibly can, electronic devices are notoriously inaccurate when it comes to really small differences, like fractions of a cent etc. That's why I always tune my keyboards and violins by ear, starting with a tuning fork.
Thank you all,
perfect pitch has very little to do with whether you are a prodigy or not, it can be as much of a curse when people play at slightly different pitches, worst thing is to try and encourage someone to have perfect pitch, if they develop it they'll let you know!!
Oh please lets not turn this into debate of perfect pitch or not, might as wellstart the shoulder rest debate too lol.
I use Tunable by AffinityBlue on my android. It lets you use various tuning systems (including ol' Mr. A+B=C)including allowing you to center the tonality on a key.
Michael,thank you, sounds promissing, bought it too, lets see how it goes with it.
Excuse my ignorance, but isn't tuning to the perfect fifth relative to the frequency chosen for the A? Theoretically any tuner capable of showing the frequency could be used to tune to perfect fifth if you know what frequency the perfect fifth will be (relative to the A frequency), am I wrong to think that?
@ J Ray
Cleartune is amazing. One of the best that i tried.
I've been playing around with an app called Pitch - Tuner & Musical Fitness Tracker, and so far I really like it. It does a few things - first, it's a solid tuner that shows whether you are sharp or flat and by how many Hz. Second, and to me the most interesting, it does realtime data analysis of your playing and gives tells you 1. What percentage of time you were in tune. 2. On average how long it took you to correct out of tune notes. 3. A list of what notes seemed to be consistently out of tune and by how much. It's available on Apple's app store, but not sure if there is an Android equivalent.
ClearTune has a setting for violins, but it still does not adjust well for perfect fifths. I have two tuners on my iPhone and mostly use them to the the 440 A
I use Cleartune occasionally, but I am constantly going between groups at 442 and 440 so I carry a cheap clip-on that can be adjusted and will ignore the rest of the group as we sit down before rehearsals. I tune by ear, but the clip gets me close faster before I finish by ear to match the group.
I use tunable for tuning, but when I work on etudes or pieces I never use any of tuning apps. I think it's more important to make the notes sound beautifully nice, than just make sure they are in tune but robotically. But well, it's good to train your ears too!
Forget artificial aids - concentrate on ear training instead. Just imitating the pitch of notes played on the piano by singing is good training. (Even if you have a dreadful voice like mine. By the way, good training is reading a book out loud and using some pitch variation like a good actor might. This can help you sing in tune. The important thing about violin playing is to get to the very centre of the note, by ear. A famous teacher (and i will remember his name in a second - Oh, yes - it was Gingold) said -
The only function of an electronic tuner for a violinist is to tune one's A string.
I don't usually use apps, but of the ones I have downloaded, I prefer TonalEnergy. It offers various temperaments, a tone generator (in the instrument of your choice) a pretty well featured metronome and an analysis feature that shows the sound wave. Also the ability to record and playback. For me it gets the most use as a metronome and drone generator, but I've found the tuner to be quite accurate as well.
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