Has anyone heard of or had experience with Joseph Ricker
Or Anton Olson violins. Both American first half 20th century
6-8K range. Trusted violin shop. Daughter’s choices from an initial shopping trip. First full size for 11 year old. Also liked a Carl Freidrich Ficker
Well, of course it's your money, but I think most people would say that $8000 is a lot to spend on an 11-year-old's first full size violin. But if she's advanced in her playing skills and needs a fine instrument (it certainly can't hurt), and if she has the judgement to make a good selection at this level (teacher helping?), then it could be a good move. Just be prepared to "trade up" at a later date.
Just to expand on the above post, auction prices are typically (I say typically because all rules fall apart at the top end of the market - which this is not) considerably lower than dealer prices. The reason is that you take a chance with an auction instrument - even if you have an opportunity to try it before the sale because you can not return it or get credit. The rule of thumb I think was that the auction price was 1/3 to 1/2 of the dealer price but that ratio has grown (higher value) as more players are attending the auctions.
Help from 2 teachers. One went with us. Dealer most would recognize.
All other things being equal, a genuine Fiker would have a better resale value IMHO
If you're thinking of upgrading again and your daughter is at Bruch level now, I'd seriously consider doing $12k now (borrowing against a 401k or home equity or the like if necessary) and hoping that you don't have to upgrade again unless she actually does compete in the Menuhin.
Its easy to recommend spending someone else's money!!
The reasoning behind is straightforward: Reselling violins is really, really tough. Trade-in heavily restricts your choice of the next violin, which is pretty likely given the OP's stated hoped-for trajectory that aims for a pre-professional competitive track.
Sounds like the buyer already feels drawn to trade up at a certain one or two dealers at the $8000 level though. But I agree that all of the indicators (teachers helping, child quite advanced for her age, parent who seems intelligent and thoughtful, trustworthy dealers) suggest that they might as well go for broke. (Sorry for the choice of words there.)
I'd seriously recommend disregarding opinions offered that assume that a higher price automatically equates to a better violin as a musical instrument.
"For your purposes, you're just as likely to find an excellent musical instrument at $8,000 as you are at $12,000."
“For your purposes” means finding a violin that sounds great and performs well as a musical instrument.
Paul Deck's comment captures my sentiment. Basically, at the $6k-8k price point, you are generally looking at instruments from someone who isn't earning their daily bread from making violins. They might be an apprentice, an amateur, or a violin-shop luthier who makes the occasional violin -- whether living or dead. You might luck into an unusually good specimen; you should certainly
I'm getting pretty exasperated here. For the Nth time, George, I have said
I'm not wild about the home equity loan idea either. And George is right that we don't know how the two violins sound that they've picked out.
To James's point, there can be a timing issue when you're dealing with kids who need a full-size
Ok, if you look back at my OP, Menuhin is quickly followed by :). I am sorry if the wording was unclear, I meant she is on track to be at a point of being competitive to go to a good conservatory, to consider a professional track.
And I agree with Lydia about the violin being a teacher.
These were good. And the final selection would come down to some “blind”
As I mentioned in that thread, Francis's list is a very bare-bones minimum -- a minimum bar to pass for even higher-end workshop violins. Somewhere, I think in one of David Burgess's threads, there's a much deeper list, across a couple of respondents, of what to look for in a truly excellent violin -- i.e. for serious pre-professional students.
LOL anyone want to chip in for a bounty on finding that thread? Be interested to read it...since I'm on the hunt as well.
I spent the last 30 min looking for it but cannot find anything.
Knowing the dubious capabilities of the search feature on this site, I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.
Regarding George’s list my daughter had struggled to make her harmonics in Czardas as well as she wanted. When she played the violins at the Expo in NY every one she played produced nice sounding clean harmonics without a struggle. Could have also been the 6K bows.
Regarding ease of playing harmonics, that could also indicate old worn strings.
What I most love about Wilbaux is actually her
Thanks for the links, Lydia.
Does Wilbaux make cellos too?
Yes. One of the readers here might have commissioned a quartet from her; I'll leave it to him to speak up, though.