When did you play Mozart 5 ?
Can you tell me when you've studied for the first time Mozart's 5 violin concerto. It will helps me to decide if I can handle it(currently playing Mozart 3).
Record yourself playing number 3 all the way through. If you like it and there aren't any mistakes, you can move on to 5.
Thank you very much for your advices!
I think I did Mozart 3 when I was around 10. I didn't do Mozart 4 until I'd done several of the Romantic concertos; I was around 14 or 15, I think. I learned Mozart 5 as an adult, after my second return to the violin. (I think 5 is slightly easier than 4, but opinions on this differ. Both are a nontrivial step up in difficulty from 3.)
My father had the sheet music for Mozart 3 & 5 so I played them when I was about 14. I did not lay eyes on the music for M4 until I was 39 and M2 until I was about 70 ( like M2 a lot!) I have not played M1, although I do have the music--somewhere.
My son did Mozart 5 at age 10, Mozart 4 at 12, and Mozart 3 at 14. According to his current teacher, this was completely backwards, though, and it should have been flipped the other way with Mozart 3 first. Pieces he had played slightly before Mozart 5 were Haydn G major, Bach a minor, Accolay, and I think DeBeriot 9.
I never did 5 but I did 3 at 11 and 4 at 12. 4 and 5 are similar difficulty.
You might be playing M3 okay now, but if you don't have the foundation that would come from the pieces Susan mentioned (and I would add a few Handel sonatas), then M5 is going to be a grind. I think I can play M3 pretty well, but M5 is shaping up to be a lifelong project (but I'm in my mid-50s, I can't learn as fast as a teenager).
Wow Susan your son learnt Mozart 5 at 10??
Mozart requires impeccable technique, but that technique is achievable in properly-trained kids. That includes the technique required to make it sound clean, elegant and graceful.
What's more, just as there is a distribution in children's ability to reach technical mastery at a young age (some do, many don't), there is also precociousness in musicality. Mendelssohn was 16 years old when he
Paul - ask a 12 yr prodigy to play Brahms.
Hm, I get where the both of you are coming from, but by that logic, does it mean a 13 year old kid with impeccable technique will be able to pull off Beethoven well?
Huberman was 13 I believe when he played the Brahms concerto with Brahms in attendance. Menuhin made his Carnegie hall debut playing Beethoven at 11 years old. Definitely rare examples but these things are possible.
Gabriel - thanks for that - but I'm talking the 1/10000 prodigy not the one in a century :D
I learned five as a college student, but played four for college auditions. I think they get more challenging the more one works on them.
I played Mozart 5 at 16 after studying violin for 2 years. No, it wasn't great....
I played Mozart 5, A major, when I was a teenager, exactly how old I was I don't remember, maybe 17. I had never heard the music before I played it.
Joel, my son is a bit unusual in that he has always been very musically mature, but his technique wasn't always great. So, yes, even at 10 he was able to play Mozart 5 quite nicely. His technique is catching up to his musicality now. Interestingly, though, playing Mozart 3 at age 14 was a totally different experience for him. Absolutely nothing technically challenging for him (except his own cadenzas he wrote!) but he found it much harder to play than when he played #5 at age 10. So even that little bit of maturity was quite dramatic for him. In Mozart 3, he really thought about every single gesture, every nuance, every turn of phrase.
As an adult student, I did Mozart 5 (this summer) after Bruch and Mendelssohn.
My daughter (turns 11 the month), is learning Mozart 5.
Elise, the relative rarity of sonata repertoire amongst young students is due to many factors unrelated to musical maturity. First and foremost, sonata repertoire requires repeated rehearsal and dialogue with the pianist, who often has the more difficult part. This requires more preparation and skill on the part of the pianist, and many more rehearsals, often including the ability of the pianist to attend the violinist's lessons with a teacher. In general, a student preparing to play a showpiece or concerto just needs a quick run-thru with a professional pianist. That's not really a good way to approach a sonata, making that impractical for most young students. (Young students are probably best off learning how to engage in musical discussions in the context of coached chamber music with a peer group quartet.)
In fact, the latest 2020-2023 violin syllabus feaures Brahms Violin Sonata No. 3 (4th movt) for grade 8, which imho is not really a good idea
@Joel, I agree although its not the first ABRSM Grade 8 syllabus to have Brahms on
Some of the more talented youngsters in my area are doing chamber music -- string quartets and such. It really just depends on the teacher's approach. Will they be competitive for conservatoire? I don't know -- but I also am not sure they're really interested in that. One thing they can all plainly see is how hard their teachers work to eke out, at best, middle-class lifestyles (but also they can see how satisfied their teachers seem to be doing that).
I played Mozart 3 (1st movement) for grade 7 and 13 and Mozart 5 (1st movement) for the ALCM (just scraping through, and it was easier then) at 16/17, performing just the slow movement at a school concert just a little later. Of course it made sense to study the whole concertos at those times.