Brahms Concerto, 3rd movement?
I was just wondering about the third movement of the Brahms concerto and its comparative/relative difficulty. What other pieces would you compare to this movement, and what especially makes the third movement so difficult?
The whole concerto is considered at the pinnacle of the difficulty of the standard Romantic concerto repertoire.
Thank you so much for your response! It’s really interesting to hear from you. I heard this movement at a concert I was part of, and I was blown away. My teacher suggested playing it, but I strongly doubt I will be playing this any time soon. I was curious to hear from the Violinist.com community about your opinions, though!
This Concerto is said to be one of the most difficult of them all, 3rd movement contributing to that. I think the only concertos really in its league are maybe Beethoven and Bartok. I respectfully disagree with Lydia in that this piece is substantially more difficult than Tchaikovsky or Paganini. I do not find this to be true in any sense. I fully agree with Leopold Auer's opinion that the three "master concertos" are Brahms, Beethoven and Mendelssohn (Bartok was not in the standard repertoire yet). I think difficulty is used in two distinct ways that often become confused. For example, someone with the technical ability to play anything may have a harder time on Mozart or Mendelssohn, because although the simply playing notes (regardless of how well) may not require as advanced of a technique as something like Bartok or Paganini, it is MUCH harder to give a very clear and refined performance of Mendelssohn. Jascha Heifetz once said the Mendelssohn Concerto is the hardest piece to play in tune.
That's very interesting! I never knew Leopoldo Auer said that, but I can agree. Certainly, you make a good point about difficulty.
Ben - you are exactly right. The Mendelssohn, any of the Mozart's, and the Beethoven concerto are certainly the most difficult to pull off elegantly...with refinement AND confidence that the presentation is fluent in the language of Mozart.
Once again, I’m a bit surprised! The answers vary reasonably from person to person, but it’s interesting to see. I did try playing the third movement out of sheer curiosity (and admittedly quite a bit slower than its normal tempo), and it doesn't seem to be menacingly difficult in terms of difficulty, unlike Paganini. Not to take away from the terrible challenges of Brahms, of course.
To All from an original 1 of 7 artist pupil's of Jascha Heifetz ~
WHOA, that’s a lot, hahahaha.
After that memoir, what can be said? :-D :-D
Ditto--thank you, E.M. And thank you for the hint that the Brahms 3rd moovement has a folk-music quality, I think the Kreisler recording (? I might be miss-remembering this) brings this out.
My goodness. What a treasure Ms. Matesky is with her deep connection to the past greats. Thank you.
Truly. I’m a bit at a loss with words.
I'm a bit at a loss with words as well, but not for the reasons others mention. Yawn....
Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville? I needed a new heel for my shoe; So I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. "Gimme five bees for a quarter," you'd say.
@Yolandi Ni ~
Ms. Matesky, thank you so much for your encouragement and advice! Yes, Brahms certainly is mesmerizing (and every time I touch it, I feel a bit like a rebel). I'll definitely implement and explore your ideas (when I dare to try to play it again).
@Yolanda Ni ~
Thank you so much! I always love reading your comments — what a rich history and life you have!
My head is spinning...