tried the jay haide, not impressed. any other brands?
i finally got to try out some jay haide l'ancienne models, while my trial period violin back in the shop for repair, i tried out both the european, and a chinese wood model at another shop, this is the violin i'm looking to upgrade to, and i'm just not impressed by them, yes they sound quite decent and responsive. but it wasn't much improvement over my current violin, in fact i think my current(on trial period) is more responsive and warmer tone while being half the price i paid.
am i missing something? everywhere i read folks rave about them, but yet nothing about them stood out to me, or am i simply expecting too much. i played Tchaikovsky op 35 1st mvmt follow up with chaconne, along with some 2 octave scales. the tone wasn't warm and response was lacking compared to my current. i tried both with/without shoulder rest and i just find the jay haide to be decent, but i feel they do not justify the price tag consider my current is half the price yet its about the same. i don't know if this holds any relevance but the jay haide is also heavier than my current. also, what is up with antiquing, it made the violin look like it was found in a dumpster.
if not jay haide, what other brands would you guys recommend.eastman maybe? thanks
Don't go by brands try lots of violins in your price range and unlabeled or obscure makers might often be the best deal, you pay more for a brand.
thanks lyndon! i realized violin shopping is way harder than guitars, back in high school i only needed 2-3 weeks before i know i want a gibson, now i spend 5 months and the one violin folks keep recommending just falls short!
Lyndon is right. If you're not impressed by the Haide violins don't blame yourself. You may have read a lot of good "reviews" online but people who write reviews online usually don't know what they're talking about (if they are not in the employ of the maker).
thanks herman, thats very reassuring, i also tried out the snow SV900, which is suppose to be a direct competitor to the jay haide, and i can see why they say its a direct competitor, it was equally decent! nothing stood out. also the snow 200 and 400 were even a class below, not completely terrible, but i wouldn't recommend that to someone who are considered intermediate.
what do you have now??
i'm currently on a trial period violin from a local luthier, trial ends in about 2 days and its in a shop b/c there is a blemish on the top the luthier is fixing. its the best one i played so far compare to 20 other violins including jay haide and snow and old german trade violin.
is it a hand made instrument or a factory instrument the luthier puts finishing touches on??
i don't think its factory made since it doesn't feel bulky like the factory ones i tried, its very light and airy, but i do believe the luthier put the finishing touches on it.
probably factory if you can afford it, hand made starts at about $10,000 unless its an amateur builder, weight has nothing to do with whether its factory made or not, but light is often good.
your probably right! i know at this point from what i learned, anything under 5 grand is factory made. but at the same time, can anyone explain these yitamusic instruments, they claim 1 luthier made these master range violins, but the price tag of a factory violin.
I'm looking at Chinese bows going for $995 and they're the same non descript non pernambuco wood used on the $50 bows.
that makes so much more sense, every luthier i know, cheapest one charges 7 grand, and yet on yitamusic they claim one luthier for master range violin for 2999. they are gorgeous looking violins, but their questionable description puts me off from purchasing.
A luthier can only make 5-10 violins a year, why do you think there are so many of them
When we traded up my daughter's 3/4 Jay Haide cello for her full size, I was pretty surprised at how much variation there was between instruments. None were bad but it wasn't until we got the fourth one that we were like "wow this is really good". But it's still nowhere near her good cello made by a VSA "hors concours" luthier...I don't think it would be fair to expect otherwise.
In the end, you're looking in the student instrument range -- generally Chinese or
thanks lydia and stan, yes i completely understand that no 2 violin are the same when they are the same model, i agree that factory violins have certainly stepped up their games since the 80s. if what you are saying is true, i guess the only way forward is for me to save up for handmade violin here in the states. i got a quote of 10k euro from Daniele Tonarelli in cremona, i guess thats what i'll be saving up for.
Instruments from full-time violin makers, personally fully handcrafted by an individual, are typically $10k+. You can sometimes get apprentice-made violins in the $7k+ range. (There are individual makers who may charge less than $7k, but they are generally amateurs or people who don't often make instruments.)
I remember Elmar Oliveira played with this orchestra I was in and used a Jay Haide in a performance of Beethoven’s Violin Concerto. He sounded amazing that night! I’m sure he had his instrument setup properly with a good bridge and bass bar - Elmar and I have the same luthier working on our fiddles (so I know the type of work he gets). Setup is key even on a great Italian or French instrument. I didn’t see the instrument you’re describing, so it’s hard to know. If you can spend up to $10,000-12,000, check out Tarisio, they have good instruments by such makers as Honore Derazey in that price range and the fiddles there are setup really well by the resident restorers/luthiers.
"currently on a trial period violin from a local luthier"
hi roger, yes u are right, sorry for the confusion, i was up late typing this up. the current on trial is 1300, but its a bit more complex thn that, i basically bought it already, with a 7 day full refund period cause the luthier understand i want to take it home and try it there. my apology for not explaining that part better, so i guess technically it is mine.
If you're jumping from a $2000 to a $4000 instrument, you're unlikely to see consistent dramatic increase in tone quality.
James makes a good point. How expensive is the violin you currently own (NOT the one that you have on trial)?
If you can play Tchaik mvmt 1, and the Bach Chaconne, and you find an instrument that you like for $1300, don't worry about what the internet thinks, buy the instrument! :-)
thank you james, francis, and lydia, i'm beyond flattered by all your comments. :) i been dodging 3 octave for awhile now but yes i do need to get back on it.
Playing things you can't afford (either yet, or ever) is hugely valuable. Regarding violins, most of what I know about what I like came initially from playing things outside my price range.
Tx Kai for the clarification. If you can, try Core Select violins, which actually can be rather nice for the price if you find the right one properly set up. Also known as Mingjiang Zhu violins in the past.
i have heard about mingjiang zhu, but haven't been able to find a shop that carries them or core select violins. are they generally precede better than jay haide or snow? sorry thats literally my two only base line going forward.
Racist statements such as categorizing whole nationalities of people as "master liars" should be flagged and removed.
"are MJZs generally precede better than jay haide or snow?" I don't know as I never played Jay Haide or Snows, but they have the reputation to be good value. Then there are the Bulgarian instruments in the $5K range also worth trying.
Core select are Howard Core Company, I don't think they have anything to do with MJZ instruments.
I have a MJZ viola. It's got a big sound and even does pretty well in the higher registers (learning that now with some cruel orchestra rep) but it's not very responsive. I'm hoping to trade up to a bench-made instrument. Like a Manfio.
I play on a Jay Haide violin as my main instrument. It has served me well for the past ~5 years, but I often wonder what owning a professional level violin could do for my playing...
hi gene, wow that mjz 909 sounds fantastic in the fiddlershop video, i need to find a shop that has it. cheers
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