Auer method books
Please give me insights on the Auer method books and their effectiveness if used correctly. I've been playing for half a year already.
I find them dreadfully dry. YMMV
For what reason?
All vegetables; no dessert.
I have to agree with the dry assessment. I can't think of a better way to phrase it.
On the contrary to the Suzuki method, the Auer books gives you a solid foundation of bowing to start with --- very important for beginners. However, you do need a teacher to teach you, otherwise, you will just think it is dry like the replies above had said. But I personally dont think it is as dry as the beginner books by Sevcik.
This serious teacher has successfully taught beautiful, correct sound and bowing without using the Auer books. That is not to say that they aren't worthy. Of course they are. But they aren't the only way.
You're both making me hungry.
> On the contrary to the Suzuki
I doubt if Auer ever taught a beginner!
Mary Ellen. - what is YMMV? Anyway, my first teacher, Harry Fratkin, had been a student of Auer and idolized him. Auer in turn gave him a beautiful letter of recommendation and qualified Mr. Fratkin to represent him. And yet even Mr. Fratkin did not use the Auer books, saying that a beginning student would need the patience of a saint for them. (I'm referring to the first couple - I believe that there are 8 books altogether. No. 5, for the bow, has some nice material.) Instead, he used Nicolas Laoreux book 1 and then book 2 along with Kayser - something I do myself as a teacher - except that with book 1 I also use the Herfurth "Tune A Day" book 1.
Book 1, which is exclusively open string bowing etudes, is great as an introduction to bow control: uniform tone, basic dynamics and core articulations, like staccato and martele.
YMMV = Your Mileage May Vary
I agree with Carmen. The first is a good book that contrasts different articulations in a natural way that I think clarifies the sound you can be looking for from different bowings.
To All & especially Raphael Klayman!
Elizabeth, your homage is both moving and enlightening!
To Adrian Heath ~
Thanks, Elizabeth! BTW, for those who haven't read it, Auer's "Violin Playing As I Teach It" begins with the story of how he, himself, studied the violin - most interesting!
To follow up on Raphael, the book contains the anecdote of how Auer decided to become a teacher after he played for Vieuxtemps and Vieuxtemps's wife commented after his playing "I'm sure I just heard a cat meowing, where IS it?" :-)
Great books. Auer was the most important pedagogue of the 20th Century on the violin. That isn't a matter of debate.
Maybe this thread is above my paygrade, but here's my thoughts:
I love the Auer Method books! The cover art is so snazzy, and the contents is fun to work through, in bite-sized technical chuncks!
That's why I dip into them!
I have an affinity for acquiring various "method books", so I have the entire series. I enjoy discovering teaching points, thinking about the time period it was written and how it might relate to the repertoire of the same period, as well as an opportunity for my own technical refinement. It also broadens my library to find just the right exercise for a particular student at a particular time for a particular challenge they're having.
I personally teach with the auer method.
"The Suzuki method on its own is bad and should be supplemented with scales and reading." With a committed Suzuki teacher, it is supplemented. If all the technical work created or chosen by the teacher during each lesson were printed, the Suzuki books would be as complete as Auer's. The techniques are introduced in a different order, better adapted to the majority of very young chidren.
Well that was quite mean Adrian.
Ahmed, I am sincerely sorry you found my remarks mean.
I think both methods are good. Suzuki certainly has its merits. It's how it is taught that counts. Listening to the Suzuki tapes in place of teaching note reading properly is often how many Suzuki instructors train their students to learn. I don't think this is beneficial.
Based on the comments in this thread I did take another crack as 'Violin, as I teach it' and found it a bit more interesting than initially. I suspect it's a combination of experience gained since and reading some of the comments in this thread.
It's alright Adrian ;).
Technique? Whatever the method, we must enjoy seeking and making beautiful sounds; scales must be musical rainbows!
:) yep i love my scales especially on one string. The patterns are interesting but when i gave to only use 3-4 it was odd at first didn't quite get used to it.
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