Yitamusic bows advice (Snakewood or Pernambuco)
Recently I won two bows from Yitamusic. One is Master Model Snakewood bow which is 66.5 grams and the other is ranked a bit lower, but still, Pernambuco bow which is 62 grams. Snakewood is 70 which is far convinsing considering Chinese pricing. But the Pernambuco which is below 30$ when the auction is ended is not something you can get always. I can buy only one, so I dunno which one to choose. Yeah, I slightly doubt the quality of Pernambuco, it's still Yitamusic I got the very nice violin from..
Also,I dunno if upgrading violin from ebony to Pernambuco is a right choice. That's also to be purchased from them.
I hope there's someone who has already bought once from them and knows better. Or you still can give me few advices without having deal with Yita
I have a Yita pernambuco bow. It's not bad, but it is *very* stiff. I actually think their IPE wood bows are their best offerings. I had a very nice one that I sold to a student.
Both the "pernambuco" and "snakewood" bows are fake presumably Chinese wood so who can say.
Lyndon, that's what I'm aware of, even if that's Yita... But I'll give them chance, it's almost impossible to have something so good at a very low price, anyway my budget is too low hahah
I get some Howard Core "brazilwood" Chinese violin bows that are good strong sticks, still not genuine brazilwood either. I sell them for $60, less than the cost of a rehair, and throw them in free with a cheaper violin purchase.
The only way to chose the better bow FOR YOU amongst the two is to try them both. If the return policy allows, buy both and return the one you like least. Keeping in mind here that these bows cost less than a single rehair, you can't expect miracles, but could still be surprisingly acceptable playing stick notwithstanding finishing, fitting and materials. You have to try to see. That said I agree with Nate, 66.5g is on the very heavy side, you are most likely better off with a lighter bow. I have a $70 bow that I wouldn't hesitate to use as replacement for my brazilian $1500 bow in a pinch so you never know until you try them.
In my opinion, these cheaper bows should only be used for purposes like experimenting with different styles of bows, different weights, and different color horsehair. If you haven't played a heavy bow, I would pick that. If you have a heavier bow, try the "pernambuco"
I have a pernambuco bow and an Ipe bow from them. The pernambuco bow is a cello bow so I can’t compare. But overall they make decent stuff for what you are paying. Try not to overthink it.
Above 65 grams, you're really looking at a viola bow. Consider getting a viola?
Yita is a good place (they're a clearing house for a number of Shanghai workshops) and their instruments and bows can be a great value. If you got a bow for $30 it may technically be pernambuco -- I don't think Yita would intentionally mislabel anything. But it is probably low-quality wood.
They are not pernambuco, don't look anything like pernambuco, and are cheaper than the pernambuco wood blank wood cost, don't be so gullible!!
I don't get why some people believe you can get a Pernambuco bow for $30 - the price of a two-person lunch or a pair of movie tickets. Not to offend anyone but it's insane.
My Yita Sartory copy was advertised as pernambuco but is of a considerably lighter colour than you usually see. I suspect the word is being used pretty freely to describe wood of related tree species. Another confusing thing is that pernambuco and brazilwood both come from the Pau Brasil tree, pernambuco being the heartwood and brazilwood the sapwood (I just found out)
I have several Yita bows.
Matt, just because something is pernambuco doesn't mean it's particularly high quality wood -- that's why you can still buy student-grade pernambuco bows. People shouldn't get all hung up on pernambuco as some kind of badge of quality.
I call BS on you, it is illegal to export Pernambuco from Brazil where it comes from, and it is one species not several, The crappy Pernambuco you can still find goes for $100 just for the wood blank, you tell me how that goes into a $30 bow, ridiculous!!
This discussion has induced me to do some weight and length measurements of my 5 assorted bows. I've measured their weights, in grammes, on electronic scales, and playable lengths of bow hair in millimetres. I chose playable hair length as being a more realistic parameter of length for comparison purposes than tip to the far end of the stick measurement because of variations in design of the frog end and tip (think Baroque pointed tip).
Thank you for plenty of information) Don't mind that it's 30 dollars, might've been end in auction for 60 or more, still so far normal Pernambuco can't be that much cheap. What about their IPE bows then?
I have been very pleased with my Yitamusic violas.
On the other hand I'm perfectly happy with my Yita snakewood viola bow!
Craig and Steve's experience with Yita bows is what I personally observe: while Yita violins have been consistently regarded as offering good value for money, their bows' reviews are more diverse. Some people like them, some people don't. You can check other threads on v.com and elsewhere about their bows. I distinctly remember a shop owner (not Lyndon) commenting that Yita bows are surprisingly cheap for their material and specification, but not many buyers choose them in their brand-blind testing visits to her shop.
Landon are you going to accuse Shar lying too? They sell a pernambuco bow for $99 (Chinese made). $99 with American retail markup is about the same as $30 in China seems to me.
Yes I'm going to accuse Shar of lying, its what they do best. You're not an expert on wood, I am, its not Pernambuco, doesn't look anything like it, not even similar.
Legally, Shar, Fiddlershop etc. aren’t lying as ‘if anyone lies it’s our Chinese suppliers, not us’
I am still confused by your first and fifth sentences. You say you "won" the two bows from Yitamusic. (I am assuming in auctions at eBay or another on-line auction site.) Then you say you can only buy one. When one "wins" an auction, one is supposed to pay the seller the winning bid price. To not pay is to be listed with bad marks against you for not following through with your purchases. In a real brick and mortar auction house, it could get you banned. If you seriously bid on these two items and won them both, then pay the piper, and get both bows. If you don't like one, then sell it later (or throw it out).
Because I told I don't have that much, I also was bidding for another violin. And I accidentally put a bid on snakewood bow, but I could legally cancel which I did, but they didn't respond in time. So they cancelled without complain, as I made really lots of purchases already from them within a week. Both sides are satisfied, no worries)
I know a man who bought nearly a ton of Pernambuco from a old stash from a retird wood dealer. After almost every good bowmaker at the time cherry picked it for almost five years, the rest went to China. So they do have lots of it somewhere over there and maybe some of the good stuff was missed, but most was so-so..
A ton in China is like a drop in the bucket!!