Titanium Bridge Clip
Anyone ever used one? I'm guessing it's probably a waste of money!
What is it?
Here’s a link to it.
Goes in place of the skin on a bridge
I see -- thanks for educating me on this. I think this is a great idea in principle. I'd like to try it. In the old days there were ebony inserts for E strings. I often wondered why those couldn't be made out of metal or a hard mineral substance like garnet or sapphire. Whether titanium is the right material I don't know, and the point of contact needs to be not too wide I would guess.
I actually like this idea.
I have a titanium tailgut and tuner, why not get the bridge clip?! I googled it but couldn’t find any info and nothing on Maestronet.
I always associated the ebony bridge E-string inserts with cheaper bridges. I am more familiar with me or luthiers making a "parchment" fitting to go over the bridge string groove for the highest string mostly to prevent the groove from getting deeper. The highest string is the thinnest and highest tension string of the four so it is likely to cut into the bridge fastest.
These clips are a good idea, in principle. The mass of one clip is 0.025 g. By taking into account that a luthier tunes a violin bridge by removing tiniest pieces of wood of the bridge which changes the mass of the bridge only by a fraction of the mass of such a clip, you can guess that mounting one clip to the bridge has a mentionable influence to the sound of the instrument.
It's not that expensive, give a try and write about your experience here. It does look like it will add considerable amount of height to the string, something to keep in mind. l think it is really important that it makes good and full contact on the bridge otherwise it will impact the tone negatively. Since it's a one size fits all and doesn't conform to the shape of the bridge/string like parchment I'm sure there may be some issues. Not all E strings are the same gauge.
eBay had them for 24 bucks but the link I posted earlier, you get 4 for 11 bucks so I went and purchased them. 11 bucks is worth the try! I’ll let you all know my results. ??
Do you have to glue it on? Don't want a piece of metal rattling on the bridge.....
I am curious to see your feedback on them. I would anticipate possible buzzing in addition to changing the balance of sound between strings.
"The mass of one clip is 0.025 g." Really? 25 mg sounds rather heavy. But I suppose it's solid metal ...
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This clip looks to me like a an accessory looking for a problem to solve. My luthier puts something on the bridge notch where my e-string sits, and I have never had a problem. I would be interested to see what the luthiers on this site have to say.
I'm no a luthier, however the professionally finished and fitted bridges I have purchased and the bridges on new luthier-made instruments I have purchased have had "parchment" "patches clued over the bridges for violin, viola, and cello highest strings. Parchment is a natural product, actually stiff leather. About 50 years ago I purchased pre-shaped parchment patches from a luthier supply house in the eastern US (Johnson String* near Boston) and about 20 years ago (having run out of that supply) my own luthier here in Northern California sold me a small "sheet" of parchment from which I have cut my own patches when needed. Very thoughtfully he provided a sheet of varying thickness (violin ---> viola ---> cello). It has all worked fine. I use superglue to fasten them down - it is easy to remove and replace.
I think parchment is probably what my luthier uses. Seems to work fine. Not sure why I would bother with the titanium clip.
Jamie Colvin : "eBay had them for 24 bucks but the link I posted earlier, you get 4 for 11 bucks so I went and purchased them. 11 bucks is worth the try! I’ll let you all know my results.??"
I would be concerned about titanium, a very hard metal, against fragile soft aluminum or chromed metal windings wrapped around synthetic or natural thread cores at a high pressure point, narrow fulcrum. Even with a Russian steel a, I would have concerns about the pulling of tuning and vibrations and changes in pressure and angle of bowing.
I have not weighed them, but I can’t imagine parchment is much heavier than the titanium clip- unless you are comparing by mass percentage and weighing the wet glue.
Judging from the descriptions on that web site anything made from titanium will enhance the sound of your violin. Just imagine what an all titanium violin could do....
" I would be concerned about titanium, a very hard metal, against fragile soft aluminum or chromed metal windings wrapped around synthetic or natural thread cores at a high pressure point, narrow fulcrum."
Andy wrote, "Parchment is a natural product, actually stiff leather." I think that is the "sheepskin" the manufacturers of this titanium device are referring to, that you will no longer need.
I'm happy to mail anyone one of these to try as I don't need 4 of them. I'll just use/try 2 on both my violins.
Paul: I have tiny E-string grooves in my violin bridges. When the parchment gets too worn I replace it over the bridge groove and position the string where it was before and "voila" back to normal.
"Changing from chrome-plated brass CR hardware to titanium CR hardware changed the tone of my violin from a cheap eBay VSO to near Strad levels ... "
Took several weeks for the clips to arrive. I honestly don’t hear any difference with the clip. Oh well!
It doesnt hurt to try for a better sound and experiment with new material Mrs. Colvin. Although there is a large number of folks here who will disagree with me, I think when you make any kind of setup change it can take a day or two for this change to be optimal or maybe even get worse. Just my ears and experience.
Amen Jeff! I love trying different things and it’s a lot of fun.
Thank you Jamie for reporting your impression, much appreciated :-)
Jamie was kind enough to send me one of the bridge protectors and I agree with her assessment.
Obviously gluing milligrams' worth of metal shavings to your bridge isn't going to make any difference in the sound. The problem it's trying to solve is the practical one of E strings getting pinched by the bridge.
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