D'Addario NS Micro Violin Tuner
Has anyone used the D'Addario NS Micro Violin Tuner ?
Currently i downloaded an app on my iphone called "InsTuner" but was wondering if its more accurate to purchase a physical tuner?
5-6 years ago i got one (discounted, at an exposition).
I've had one for some years now. I use it just for the A string. I then tune the violin to itself. I haven't found any electronic tuners that can tune all four strings to my satisfaction.
I have used it for years and it works fine for me.
It's cute and cheap, and useful in that it attaches directly to the instrument and doesn't pick up as much of the external sound as others, but is not as configurable and informative as an app.
I have the Petersen iStroboSoft in my iPhone, and I don't believe that any of the hardware clip ons can exceed, or even equal the accuracy of that. It's a bit of an ego blow for me to realize that I can't equal it with my own hearing either. So I'm always left with the knowledge that if I want my violin tuned as accurately as possible, and I find that it does matter, then I have no choice but to go with the technology.
I have the Peterson StroboPlusHD tuner, a piece of hardware, not an app, and this has "sweetener" tunings available to help get the adjustments you want for your instrument.
I have both insTuner and iStroboSoft. I don't much care for Strobe tuners but iStroboSoft is very accurate. For just getting an A, insTuner is fine.
I've got a bunch of D'Addario NS Micro Tuners - in each case, in each bag hanging from a cello's neck (yes, they make them for cellos also - they clip on the bridge) - I've even adapted a violin one for my fatter viola by trimming the rubber "feet."
I have one and it seems to correlate exactly with the readings on my strobe tuner app. It's also spot on the A if put a vibrating tuning fork (440 hz) on the bridge.
What do you all count as 'in tune'? A perfect GDAE or 'just' intonation? I want my instrument to be in tune with itself.
No Elise, the Peterson iStroboSoft has "sweetened" settings that adapt it for various instruments. I use the violin sweetener which makes it operate in perfect fifths from the A.
If the digital tuner out-performs the human ear then why worry? Nobody is going to hear it anyway - and besides, part of musical expression is to go out of tune. Obsessing with technological solutions to an emotional exercise surely can not be healthy - unless you plan to play to an audience of robots.
This sounds like the perfect tool for a musician playing to an audience of electronic tuners, but not too useful for musicians or human audiences..
I hadn't seen this thread, but by coincidence I saw a video where one was used and ordered one and it arrived yesterday. It seems fine, although smaller and flimsier than the photos make it appear. It's not very cheap. Usually with tuners I buy the cheapest, going on the theory that the components inside are all off the peg and all the same. I haven't compared it with my other cheaper tuners, but attaching them to the instrument is often a pain, and at least this one is designed to fit on a violin.
I prefer to tune to perfect fifths, by listening to the elimination of the "beat" that you hear when the strings aren't perfectly in tune. For quartet, "close tuning" is preferable -- flatter violin E, sharper cello and viola C.
Lydia - as myriads of violinists have done before and after. If electric gismos become essential to play these bowed and fretless string instruments then I fear we have lost another aspect of the expressive intimacy that is (IMO) peculiar and unique to this set of instruments.
Elise wrote "part of musical expression is to go out of tune". True perhaps, but one has to learn to play in tune in order to make this practice a councious act rather than using that excuse as a cover for one's inability to play in tune. The same can be said about visual artists that can't draw using artistic license as an excuse, unlike Picasso for e.g. who chose to draw abstractly when he was actually a very skilled draftsman. The tuner that is being discussed here is IMO very effective, especially for those of us who aren't born with the gift of perfect intonation. It allows one to quickly glance over from the corner of the eye to confirm from time to time that bad intonation habits aren't being re-inforced rather than corrected. It's a tool, which has nothing to do with expressive intimacy. I don't know if you play with an orchestra, but sometimes when the flutes are blasting in your hears, it can be a challenge to ear oneself play. Such a tool is immensely useful in such circumstances.
Part of musical expression is to play MORE perfectly in tune, building the intonation around the chord rather than around the equal-tempered pitch. I would guess that really top-end tuners are able to algorithmically determine what the chordal intonation should be, not just the equal-tempered intonation.
"It allows one to quickly glance over from the corner of the eye to confirm from time to time that bad intonation habits aren't being re-inforced rather than corrected."
I've been using the same Sabine RT-1601 rack tuner for several instruments for over 20 years now with no issues, but of course for an acoustic violin you'll need your mic hooked up.
I guess we are talking about slightly different things: pulling off a performance and growth. An electronic tuner might help with the former (at least the intonation, though goodness knows what looking at a tuner does to your expression!) but IMO it will not do much for the training of your ear and playing, as we would surely love to do, without even thinking about intonation.
I have been using one for a few months now.
There are probably a few crossed wires in this thread. I can't imagine using a tuner while playing. The way to train your ears is by playing, not by tuning. When people only tuned by ear it wasn't because it was best, it was because it was all there was.