I have a 17c.violin...it was told by a very reputable dealer long time ago..Now I want to sell the instrument and can not find any dealers to give me an honest opinion about the violiWhy dealers being so secretive?
Pay for a written appraisal.
probably because its a fake????
Take it to Warren, Reuning, ect, and as Lydia says, pay for the certificate/appraisal document.
Dealer providing honest opinion is an oxymoron. The whole business of dealership is based on information customers are unaware of. Ethics is at best tweaked, at worst non-existant.
The reputable dealer was Mr.Francais in NY.
That would be a disreputable dealer that is a crook.
Nelly, perhaps your violin IS 17th century as Francais opined, but there is uncertainty about exactly who made it?
25% is a consignment fee. A certificate should be less than 10% and appraisal significantly less, but you need a certificate. Did Mr Francais not provide you with a certificate or opinion on the instrument? Unfortunately, his opinions have not held up as well as one might have hoped for.
I have a friend who owns (or thinks he owns) an Amati violin. Well, he was told 40 years ago that it's an Amati. He has no paperwork. Then a few years ago he took it around to dealers in Chicago and New York and nobody would give him the time of day. My guess is that he led off with "I was told it's an Amati". The better approach, in my opinion, would have been to say, "I bought this violin 40 years ago for $50 at a pawn shop in Las Vegas -- what do you think?" My guess is that dealers don't want to stick their necks out evaluating antique instruments that aren't pretty clear-cut because the chances that they're going to end up being wrong are likely relatively high.
Nelly - just out of curiosity, does the instrument have a label? Not that they mean much, but still, it is some information.
I go with Rocky. I wouldn't call it a healthy business model. I mean, what
One of the auction houses, like Tarisio, would also give you a free opinion.
Yes..Mr.Francais said it is a Strad and also told me to be careful that they do not exchange part on it.I was professionly playing the violin at that time didn't even think that one day I want to sell it I did not ask for paper.No label in the violin.A young concert violinist would be very happy with it ..like I was
What city do you live in?
It doesn't matter where I live...I can take the violin anywhere.I would sell it to a budding concert violinist for a very reasonable price.It has to be played...since I'm not playing anymore because of arthritis it's just sitting at home.
If you're in Toronto, I would take it to Bein and Fushi in Chicago, or Reed-Yeboah (or other major dealer) in NYC.
Well, if you can take it anywhere:
If Charles Beare says it's a Strad, you're in great shape....his certificate will be worth the money, most likely ;).
Nelly - I love your paintings!
These days to get good expertise you need to know that the game is very much about specialists and you shouldn't go to the same person for everything. There are specialists for English violins, French violins German violins Italian violins, old Italian violins, modern Italian violins, violins from different cities, etc.
The OP claims Francais said it was a Strad, if that narrows it down for you????
Really? Missed that . . .So we can be pretty sure it is not a Strad, since he was not much of a respected expert? Probably she needs Charles Beare to convince her, then, not someone lesser.
I may personally recommend Tutti Violini-the owner is a true gentlemen who completely knows his stuff (and has a photographic memory).
I will agree with others who have said that the usefulness of certification, when it comes to selling a valuable instrument, depends very much on who it comes from. Some opinions are held in higher esteem than others.
Thanks, Duane, but our strength comes from 3...there is also Julian. I sense, however, that this isn't a simple "sorting out".
Yes Steve Jones...my paintings and my violin.
It is really hard to get an honest opinion and certificate.
See, there's more to it than meets the eye. Her time is so valuable that a week of work to make $4 million or so is just too much work. So she is already certain it's not a Strad, or she's the kind of person who hands someone $4 mil or so very casually. Take your pick. Job over.
Michael you are a cynic! Now, how can I convince Nelly I'm a budding concert violinist?
Someone just paid $5.64 million at auction for Babe Ruth's jersey. Maybe she's that kind of person?
Lol what kind of person looks at their authentic Strad and says "yeah, $30k is a good price for this".
Older Italian of unknown provenance might sell for $15k, last I checked (shopping). OP might be doing pretty well to get $30k for the not-Strad in that case.
Back in the days of yore I knew a somewhat reptilian young music student who made a point of grooming old lady violinists in our orchestra, on speculation that they might be playing something good. To my dismay it worked and one of them gave it to him!
But we can not speculate since we do not know what it is.
Why should we assume the OPs violin is Italian?? And why should we assume Francais said it was a Strad, this whole thing has scam written all over it.
Yes, it's looking a bit sketchy
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