Why do they do that?
Earlier this morning there was a post from someone who said he felt like he was going through life as an imposter. I made a lengthy response to him that I genuinely hoped would be helpful. An hour later the thread was gone, evidently deleted by the OP. Why do people do this? And if you happened to see my answer, was it so offensive? (I hoped it wouldn't be offensive at all!)
Paul, I can't answer for this guy in particular, but it's possible that there was too much identifiable information in his post and he didn't want someone from his local community to see it for whatever personal reason.
I saw your response Paul and thought it was spot on. It was not offensive, and I think that James has the right idea. (This is when allowing postings without the persons identifying information like names would be very beneficial, or having a private vs fully public forum.)
Not unusual. I've regretted pretty much everything I've ever said or written. Just too lazy to undo them, I guess.
That guy seemed like he was dealing with a lot of stuff, and I think that when some people vent a lot of stuff they have guilt or shame about, they may regret putting that stuff out there. I hope he finds what he is looking for.
Some people stick by the decisions their past selves have made. Others go back on their word and hide their mistakes. It's all up to what kind of person you are.
I constantly think of asking MySpace to take down my old account from yearrrss back because it has some hilariously embarrassing stuff, but every time I almost do it, I feel like I'm denying who I really am. Was that shallow, stupid-humored child really any different from who I am now? Or was he simply a version of me that was willing to put himself out there, despite how ludicrous his behavior was?
Another individual deleted his/her thread. However, I saved it as a PDF because it was still open in my browser.
I saw Chase Stevens's thread (on DMAs and orchestral positions) disappeared, which I regret, since I hadn't caught up with the responses and was curious to read them.
I notice that DMA post was gone as well. Actually, I was commenting on it one night, and when I hit the "reply" button, it send me back to the forum page.
I completely agree with Sivrit. The old way of the site, where the OP could delete the text of their post, but not the post itself, was much better.
My guess is that it's for privacy reasons. In some of these deleted threads, the OPs reveal pretty detailed information about themselves. The professional music community is small. Some of the issues discussed, and the attitudes revealed, are pretty sensitive.
"Honestly, I think we shouldn't be allowed to delete a post after other people contributed on it. The information is valuable to other people. I learn a lot by searching for old topics in the forum without even setting up a new post. If you don't like the answer, or disagree with other in a post, fine, we just have to agree to disagree. By deleting the information, you rob other people from being informed on the topic, or joining the discussion."
Scott, You post on this forum with your real identity. So it is possible that one day, say if you want to run for the US president, someone digs up your old comment on v.com many years ago and ridicule you. It sounds silly, but it is a risk.
In the past, some of us have entered the person's screen name into Google to do our own "background checks" on the people posting questions here. Responses to that practice usually tilt negative -- too invasive, stalking, badgering, etc. Simple fact-finding is not generally an accepted rationale. Nevertheless, I'm 99% sure that Aidan Campbell is his or her real name, and almost equally sure that Chase Stevens is
What Scott said.
I am agnostic on the question of whether people should be able to delete their posts, but I invested a fair amount of time composing comments full of what I hoped would be helpful information--not realizing at first that my perspective was unwelcome and not particularly germane to the OP's unstated agenda--and it is annoying to have all of that wiped out.
Tim I didn't spend $15 on any background checks. I typed "Aidan Campbell violin" into Google. I got back a hit showing that (s)he performed the Bach Double with a certain orchestra that (s)he mentioned in his/her post. Now, the person making the post might be some other person who co-opted Aidan Campbell's identity, hence the 1% of lingering uncertainty.
Hey, as I'm sure you know I'm the kid (male) who deleted the orchestral careers. I'm sorry if I took down info that could have been helpful to others, or frustrated anyone in the process, but all the responses I got were very helpful to me, especially since everyone had different opinions. It's helped me think a bit more open-minded in my options, and a little less naive about the whole college and orchestral admissions process.
Aidan, you're fine. I'm pretty sure the thread Paul was referring to--certainly the one I was thinking of--was the DMA thread started by Chase.
Actually I was referring to Aidan's thread, but it doesn't really matter. I can guess why his parents wanted him to remove it. We parents do worry what kind of online "presence" our kids are creating for themselves. I have tenure, so I'd have to start saying some pretty grim stuff online to damage my career.
Here are a few rules of thumb on writing that I try to follow:
Sander did you write
Sander, those writing rules are those I was expected to adhere to in my working career as a patent attorney. Interestingly, I was taught early on that the real addressee of a patent specification is not the client or inventor, as one might expect, but a High Court judge, should there ever be litigation involving the specification.
I think the DMA thread was taken down because of the cutting and hurtful comments directed at the OP. Young musicians aspiring to be professionals are acutely aware of the odds. To imply their life’s work “doesn’t mean anything” is inappropriate in any context.
"open up a vein..."
Oh for pete's sake.
Sander in fact I've noticed that your comments do tend to be quite well-considered. But if I waited, re-edited, slept on it, ran it by a colleague, etc. for every post I made here, then by the time I actually joined these conversations all of the cheap-and-easy comments ("ask your teacher" or "get gear pegs") would already be taken. I can't have that.
Anyone following Sander's writing rules is not really going to be participating in forum discussions. For that matter, that style of writing has been inappropriate and ineffectual in a corporate setting for the last twenty, if not thirty, years. The shift from "writing a memo" to "dashing off an email" has been stark in businesses.
Maybe I get the wrong idea that this forum is violinists at all level casually gathering? I never think much about writing draft, re-think, etc. I wasn't thinking maybe one day I mis-spoke and get in a lawsuit or something :p
Yes, the world of communication has changed, and radically. Today is what I call "The Age of Instantaneous Brevity." Everything (and I do mean everything) is now valued by how quickly you get it, produce it, sell it, experience it, communicate it, understand it, etc. And it has to be brief - like a headline or a tweet. And it has to be truly of the moment - no time for thought or reflection. Spontaneity, speed, and brevity are now what are valued. It's the way we now communicate (especially publicly).
As a rule of thumb, if I have a niggling doubt about whether I should post a particular comment - or even a new discussion - then I don't.
Sander I am not so sure this holds for everything. There have never been more novels written (many of the fantasy genre but also many others) than in our current period. And a novel is not really brief. Also think of the current wave of popular TV series, many new ones produced. They are everything except brief.
Copying nature is fine. But there are limits: We don't build airplanes from feathers.
Paul, not quite true - research is underway to design the surfaces of airplane wings so that they can behave more like the efficient feathered wings of large gliding birds such as the condor or albatross. Of course, as is usual with all such advanced developments, it will be many years before we see it in commercial aircraft.
They might behave like feathers but they'll likely still be made from metallic aluminum, one of the most non-natural materials, or an alloy thereof.
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