Just curious, how long did it take you to get to a point where you're able to play the scales in tune almost consistently? I'm aware that it differs for every individual, just interested in getting to know other people's experiences. Also, were there any tips that helped you reach that point?
No timetable really, just attentive use of a drone set to the tonic, and/or tuner, and concentration on how the hand and hand-frame feels for each scale. Ferret out the notes that are consistently too flat or sharp if present, and consciously anticipate and correct them. Start with two octave scales in keys such as Gmajor D major and A major to feel their differences. Graduate to three octaves when you want to work on shifting. The first experience with a shift might be in D Maj. for D on the A string. Hope this helps
I agree with Charles's post.
Life-long lifetime experience of my own playing and that of others I have played with informs me that perfect intonation is very rare in amateur players. When I do (think I) hear it in people I make music with I usually learn they earned their college and graduate degrees in music - specializing in violin performance - and even if it has not been their major vocation it helped support them at sometime - before I knew them.
-Agree with Paul and Andrew. Sorry for the repeat on my post!
Jumping off the discussion above: Does anyone have any recorded scale recommendations?
Pamela I recommend dabbling around on the piano to get a decent feeling for how the scales should sound. Lacking a piano you can use https://www.apronus.com/music/flashpiano.htm
Thing that helped me with my scales was a drone, but also knowing the half steps and whole steps in the scale. It helped me know where the next finger went.
agree with Scott,-- Tight half-steps, third and fourth fingers match the adjacent open strings. Common problems that I have noticed; the the whole step between first and second finger too wide, collapsed wrist pulls the third and fourth fingers flat, first finger not squared enough, not pulled back. Matching the piano or electronic tuner is a good intermediate step, on the road to "perfect" intonation which is relative to the key and the note's place in a chord.
Two and three octave scales for beginners? I'd suggest focusing on half a scale at a time and only that.
Beginners are often not assigned scales because beginners want to get to the point -- as quickly as possible -- where they can play a simple tune. So that becomes the emphasis. But an adult student learning the violin for the first time might "know" that scales are "important" and want that to be part of their education from the outset. In that case there are books that can help you, such as "Elementary Scales and Bowings" (in the Whistler series) or "Scale Studies" by Hrimaly (available on IMSLP). Hrimaly quickly takes you into difficult keys, but you can still work with it by limiting yourself to, say, one flat through three sharps.
Matching a piano, is that really wise, given the tempered tuning of the piano? Sincere question. I don't know the answer.
David, violin-specific intonation aspects are important details for the more advanced violinist/interpreter. But if someone still needs to develop musicality and a good feeling for intonation and how a scale basically sounds (which I think is the question if someone is asking for recorded scales), I think it is very useful to explore scales hands-on on the piano without being restricted by the difficulties you have on violin to produce a good sound and intonation.
"Matching a piano, is that really wise, given the tempered tuning of the piano? Sincere question. I don't know the answer..."
As a fellow beginner (I've been learning for 8 weeks now) I started playing the simple beginner scales that we play pretty much in tune in the first 3 or 4 weeks.
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