Looking to buy a Zygmuntowicz violin
I am looking to buy his violin if anyone has one for sale. Please send me your contact information. thank you
Hey, you're in luck!
I am aware of the auction and plan to bid, but just in case i don't win, would prefer to buy directly.
Why a Zyg in particular? There are so many excellent makers with more affordable and great sounding instruments.
An investment or a playing tool?
Buying directly lands you on a long waiting list.
These Polish names will be the end of me.
Excuse me? Polish names??
Zygmuntowicz is a Polish name.
Lydia, hasn't he retired some years ago?
"These Polish names will be the end of me."
Don - Yeah, you're right. Zygmuntowicz isn't the most common name.
It's pronounced like Zig-mun-TOH-vitz
I posted the link to show this is someone who plays the violin. Why he specifically needs a Ziggy, beats me...
Nuuska, no, he's still actively making.
The Zyg at Tarisio is pretty darn good...but is it already more than he charges for commission? The Poggi is not bad either...but you might be able to find one for less in a shop...;)
Want to collect Zyg. A friend of mine has one commissioned and it was amazing. I tried to call the maker several times and left multiple messages, never receive a call back, and his violins don't grow from tree and it's already bid up to $90,000 on Tarisio now.
If I had that kind of loot I'd be looking at his violins too. But in the end I'd probably spend the same amount on three violins from other makers that are probably just as good.
I think the OP should look at some Dan Noon violins which would cost considerably less and not so long of a waiting list. Dan's violin came in first place for tone a year or two ago.
first place in the amateur makers conference, I believe
Really Lyndon, wasn't it the VSA, Violin Society of... Amateurs? No wait, it was a viola. So nothing to be taken serious anyways.
To slightly amend James T's post, it's (arguably) more like
"his violins don't grow from tree"
Yes. Lydia, I am aware it is a Polish name. I guess I was a bit too subtle in my remarks. I meant to imply that this forum is not here to give someone who is not fluent in Polish an opportunity to castigate the nationality because the names are not SImple Simon... is that any clearer?
Erin, I don't think Polish people are too offended by the impenetrability of their impenetrable names. It's a tough language for anyone not coming from another Slavic language.
Erin, I didn't read Nina's statement as even vaguely a castigation. She followed up with a post asking how to pronounce it.
When asked about this topic, I tell students that some of the very best instruments are being made right now by the leading luthiers in Europe and USA, Mr. Z. is certainly one of them. So a real pro. will invest serious money in the tools of their profession. $100K is certainly a lot of money, too much for me, like a luxury car, but less than a house , and only 1/10 the price of a Strad or Guarnerius.
High bid on that Tarisio Zyg was $110k. With buyer's premium, $132k. On a $55k-80k estimate.
Oh, I wasn't trying to insult anyone with Polish names, I was just like, "Well, I'm screwed." It was more about my unsureness rather than the name itself.
Also, my middle name is pretty unreadable for those not fluent in Tagalog, so I guess me looking at Zygmuntowicz is like someone else looking at Magpantay. And I'm not particularly nationalistic, either, so I don't know where you got that from.
Nina, I guess most of us got your intention. Everything's fine.
In New York, there’s Stefan Valcuha, 1 of the very best makers in the world now. He was Rene Morel’s right hand man and now is the resident maker at Tarisio. He’s asking $25,000 for his violins. He also returns messages! Just some food for thought. Zygmuntowicz is obviously a very fine maker and well schooled, but there are other less pricey options that might be just as good if not better (even in NYC).
Hi Nina, Thank you for your explanation. I am an overly nerdy Polka (female Polak) and I apologize for going overboard on your linguistic puzzlement!
I'm of Polish extraction and I was not offended. I have trouble pronouncing my mother's maiden name, let alone spelling it. My own name (Marrow) was shortened from Kazmarowski (sp? maybe?) by my grandfather.
Mr. Lin, were you fortunate enough to get the one at Tarisio? :)
Funny how everyone suggests alternative makers when he made it clear that, as I originally suspected, he is looking for an investment, not a playing partner!
I guess to become the new Zyg, it would need not only 100% quality, but a few 100% marketing tricks as well. I can't see any other reason why one particular maker would be hyped that extremely, regarding how many luthiers there are nowadays producing exceptional tonal quality and workmanship between 20-30k...
I might be missing something, but I don't really see how Zygmuntowicz instruments can equate with a more proven method of investment, such as a treasury t-note or real estate in a prime location. If you like how his violins sound and have the means, I can understand why you'd purchase one of his instruments. That should be the predominant reason why you purchase an instrument and bow in the first place!
Where are you finding a Peresson, assuming decent condition, for under $40k? I think the last one I saw was at least $80k, and maybe in the six-figure range, I don't quite recall. $40k-ish fifteen years ago, sure, but now?
One of his violins sold for $24,000 last February, and a viola of his sold for $33,000 in November at Tarisio. They're lovely sounding instruments!
I absolutely agree that violins are a very poor investment tool if you're just looking to sit on them. Even if they were liquid and didn't take 5+ years to sell, their appreciation simply can't match the growth potential of even the most conservative mutual funds or ETFs (which will average at least 6-7% annual growth).
Violins are only a good investment tool given a few (very) major caveats.
If you're able to look beyond Zygmuntowicz, there are plenty modern, living makers whom you could 'try'. Many of them have waiting lists, though.
Then those soloists can bring their own money to the table for instruments.
My guess is that very few soloists are that attitudinal.
Allen - if you are still watching, I noticed you did not provide your contact information in your post.
"...their appreciation simply can't match the growth potential of even the most conservative mutual funds or ETFs (which will average at least 6-7% annual growth)...."
Scott, in the last 10 years, many ETFs have averaged insane numbers, like 20%+ average gain each year.
What is missing here in the "violin investment" discussion is: diversification.
The average annual return of a well diversified portfolio of US assets in the 80-year period from 1925 to 2005 (which includes the Great Depression and the Internet bubble, but not the subprime bubble) is about 12% per year.
"Almost alone among investments, important violins have proved immune to economic downturns. Auction prices for Stradivariuses have increased from about two hundred thousand dollars in 1980 to about three million dollars today."
I would say that the trick in violin value is to buy low, and sell high. And that IS the trick. If you buy a violin at retail and it isn't a Guarneri, then you had better be a player and get your value that way, because you aren't going to make money on this investment otherwise. On the other hand, if you educate yourself and pay attention, you might buy low enough to make it qualify as an investment. My violin and bow were appraised at 3x what I paid, so my kid ought to be able to at least break even when he unloads them to buy a vintage Les Paul. But I was helped by generous experts, and I pay attention.
True, George Huhn, but a compound interest calculator shows that a conservative annual 7% return in safe ETFs would also make 200,000 in 1980 into 3,000,000 today.
When your stock market crashes, I'll still have all my violins!!
People who invested $200,000 into Microsoft at the beginning would have more than $20 millions from their stock purchases today.
But you'll be broke and I will still have my violins..... Your assets are not tangible, mine are!!
Lyndon, your violins are only worth as much as the price people are willing to pay! If the market crashes like the Great Depression, buying violins from you wil be the last thing on people’s mind as they wait in the bread line.
no my violins keep their value, the economy recovers, my violins can be sold again and you're still broke.........
Ok, this not a place for that type of discussion.
lots of people lost everything in the crash 10 years ago, my friend's father lost 1 million, nothing left
Well, we all have our particular investment strategies and I respect that. I'm just stating my opinion.
I am sure there are hedge funds out there that invests in fine art, antiques, fine wines and what not. Of course, if your investment motive is to make more money, those funds are worth considering (along side with funds invest in stock market). However, if your "investment" consist of having a thing that you can use, let it be "invest" in a house or a violin, those funds make very little sense.
There have been a lot of funds starting up to buy single instruments or portfolios. Much of the data used to make it look interesting is a little sketchy, and stretches only from the 60s on. The rest of the data— makes that have fallen from fashion, and the long stretch between the 20s and the early 70s, when prices often went nowhere— present a less compelling story.
Shall I start a new topic on 'What sets the purchase price of a violin'? Since I'm currently looking (and have some ideas that need to be challenged) it would be particularly timely...
"The average annual return of a well diversified portfolio of US assets in the 80-year period from 1925 to 2005 (which includes the Great Depression and the Internet bubble, but not the subprime bubble) is about 12% per year."
"Not everyone in my business is a total money-grubbing whore."
I imagine Scott is thinking more of sellers putting violins on consignment, and/or dealers, rather than makers.
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