links to beginner forums
You folks are waaaaaaay over me head about violins. Any links to forums helpful to beginners with stupid problems a teacher would never permit, like, "Why does my bow bounce on the strings?"
HI Ken--"Why does my bow bounce on the strings?" is not at all a stupid question. I think you should ask your teacher about it, though, because it will be hard to diagnose without seeing you play. I played at an advanced level about 30 years ago, and then didn't touch the instrument until 6 months ago. When I started playing and taking lessons again, unwanted bouncing bow was a problem. My first teacher said it was due to not having used the muscles that will control it for a long time, and that it would go away on its own. It did go away, but it took at least 3 months.
Well, I've tried to join up 4 beginner forums. Can't make the software work. And you think strings are frustrating, try reasoning with a programmer!
Thank you, Ms. Marrow. I have no teacher being on the road all the time. For me, violin is a medical treatment after seeing a youngster on YouTube and what he could do with his hands. Perfect flexibility training to retain range of movement arthritis is trying to steal away. I'm quite relaxed and gentle with the bow. No problem putting a little strength to it. I'll give that a try next playtime.
These forums are very beginner friendly. Do not be intimidated. Weekly so-called "beginner" subject threads abound.
You could join the closed group "Adult Starters - Violin/Fiddle" on Facebook. There are folks at many levels now - including everybody from rank beginners to students studying more advanced material, but professionals and teachers are not permitted. The group was started by members of V.com so that beginners could have an open forum with their peers. We would be happy to answer your questions and you may find a few friends on the road.
"These forums are very beginner friendly. Do not be intimidated."
In my experience, most posters are not snarky or dismissive-the few that can occasionally be just tend to stick on your mind more.
I think it's beginner friendly. Sometimes the beginner questions are so out there that they can be hard to answer. Like 'How do I play the 3 note without getting my thumb squashed?' or 'I just started last week, how do I do vibrato?' or 'Which is the best $99 violin on Amazon?' Those questions aren't really going to yield friendly answers. The information you get on this forum is by far more reliable than any other source on the internet.
Ms. Cynthia Q.,
If you are a thick-skinned beginner, violinist.com is OK.
Maybe the few posters who feel this forum is snobby are just oversensitive? I feel that this forum is very straightforward, but not "snobby" at any higher of a percentage than in any other hobby forum. I can see that it is perceived as rude to be overly straightforward, but I also think many of the regular posters here just don't have the time to sugar-coat their responses, especially when answering a question that has been asked hundreds of times before.
I believe that violinist.com is friendly to beginners. But I also believe that it is quite a serious forum. I like serious. Maybe some find "serious" intimidating.
If you feel this forum snobby and for professionals, you don't know any of programmers (especially system and advanced). You can be seriously judged and accused by just a little lack of effectivity on one parenthesis in the code and used as an example of stupidity. I am a beginner and feel free to ask, few people are strict, but forums are about asking the opinions and everyone has one, isn't it? I feel very good here.
I've never thought of this as a particularly snobby forum. I've seen worse in my short time alive - but I think you're being overly sensitive if you're really getting offended about stuff on here (unless it's Krackovich, which is just a sorry case). I mean, welcome to the internet. No intentions of being rude.
It depends on what you ask about.
Ken, your profile you describe yourself as "Old Male", so we have that in common :) I agree that the https://fiddlerman.com/ is a more comfortable forum to ask beginner questions on. I've been very supported there as an adult beginner, but, although the other participants will comment and support your attempts at playing if you post a video in the "critique" forum, you won't really get any helpful criticism if that's what you're seeking.
Hmmm--I thought "ask your teacher" was appropriate advice here, since the OP indicated he thought his question was "too stupid" to ask a teacher--which it is not.
"Ask your teacher" is almost certainly great advice. I just feel it's also rather obvious to the point of being condescending. Like those drug ads on TV: "Tell your doctor if you have liver cancer," or "Don't take Advil if you're allergic to Advil."
Since November two tin cans joined by string would be better than the Skype service I've been getting.
Sheesh, my apologies for stirring up this mess. I'm not criticizing anyone. I do not feel anyone is acting over the top or snobby, at least any more than normal on the internet. Please stop. I'm used to experts in various disciplines, and yes, sometimes you run into some who try to buy in to the 2% Harley lifestyle or shoots his own BMW panniers to look like he's actually been further than the local Starbucks. Treat them like a 5-year old with an attitude problem, just turn and walk away. Then, my son is an artist and considered one of the best in the world as evidenced by his finished product. yet I've seen him work with an elementary kid about good technique with a pneumatic random orbital sander. The rest of us fit somewhere in between.
My previous comments weren't directed at you, Ken, but at some of the other posters. Just FYI.
This forum certainly leans heavily classical, even though many people who post and read here also play other styles. (Most pros play at least some non-classical. It expands the ways in which you can make money.)
I also agree with Erik. There shouldn't be questions that are too stupid to ask your teacher. The whole point of having a teacher is so your questions -- no matter how stupid you think they are -- can be answered.
If you don't know what a word means, feel free to ask. All of us have had our fair shares of not knowing terminology, no worries.
I never said there are questions that are too stupid to ask your teacher. But also some folks take lessons relatively infrequently and might like a few pointers on small things in between. Again, I would ask what the purpose of a forum like this would be if the only people we consulted with about violin playing were our own individual private teachers!
As a returning beginner, I've found this forum to be both serious and useful. I do not consider this form to be unfriendly to beginners at all. I do scour the archives before asking a question, and while I've only posted a couple of times, I try to be very specific about my questions. I am also mostly interested in classical music, though there is some traditional folk music I could see myself exploring at some point - but classical music will always be my first love.
One of the reasons I come here is because, like someone else mentioned, to join a beginner forum is mainly beginners. I want to learn from experienced players. I am a member of a fiddler forum but haven't been there much because frankly it's a bunch of retired people just shooting the breeze most of the time or working on a folk song that has only a private interpretation. As beginners we need specifics. I am three years into violin and an still very much in beginner territory. Yes I have come a long way, but I have a long way to go yet.I appreciate the helpful advice from the members here. I often contribute to posts that aren't overly technical concerning the instrument itself.
One beginner forum that may be useful to the OP, with loads of detailed beginner how-to videos and also chat and posting opportunities is Beth Blackerby's Violin Lab. Beth often responds in the chats and responds to videos people upload.https://violinlab.com I agree with others who have suggested its not an either or but there is a great deal that can be learned on violinist.com across levels and other things best gleaned and discussed in a beginner oriented forum.
Honestly, every single violin forum with experienced players tends to draw, "Ask your teacher" and "You're going to have serious problems with a cheap VSO" responses, because these are essentially core truths.
@Karen Egee, Thanks for posting this.
The only issue with Beth's educational website is that, as far as I know, it requires a subscription fee to access her videos. What she has put on YouTube is a tiny sampling -- the tip of the iceberg.
Timothy said: "I would like to see more players here stepping up like Lydia has and actually show us a video from time to time."
I'll try and post a video sometime... probably with a cardboard box on my head.
Is it possible to play violin with a box on one's head?
I'm looking forward to it, Nina. Which piece are you going to post?
Nina, I'm waiting for your video as well.
These forums are beginner friendly-ha! All one has to do is go to other internet sites to find the refugees from this one. And some of the posters defending violinist.com are among the culprits, although I'll admit that not all of them have responded here.
I've been meaning to post video some time as well. My problem, though, is that I've been playing with on-and-off injuries for the last 10 months, so lately I've been practicing very little outside of orchestra rehearsals. I'm planning to stop playing completely for at least a month and a half after my next concert in order to allow a full recovery, instead of jumping back in as soon as I've recovered enough to play a little bit. So no video until April at the earliest.
Mr. Hsieh, prayers for rapid and effective healing.
Ginger F., I am a returning beginner. There was also a significant amount of commuting to lessons during my first year of returning. I do see your perspectives.
I am just a non-classical beginner, and I think violinist.com has become a lot more beginner-friendly in recent years. Some of the most scornful posters that I know of have been largely inactive for a long time. But there are this sort of people in almost every forum that I am aware of.
I apologize, I can sound a little snarky online sometimes.I know we have some excellent players here and many aspiring players who want to improve.
Ken - I believe so.
If people don't want to get identified in their video, simple solutions:
"We tend to be in denial about our actual sound, as evidenced by the fact that most people won't even listen to recordings of themselves, let alone post them for an entire violin community to critique."
Because sometimes you get awesome feedback regarding how to get better. I've found every video I've posted has gotten critique that has helped me improve.
@Matt Lawrence, I was thinking maybe a batman costume.
@Timothy, if you have a video why not showing it. It isn’t perfect but it’s better than the sort of kids who promised uploading a video several times, in different threads, but haven’t as of now.
"Hold the violin like normal, then put the box on your head. The box should ideally have air holes and also be big enough to fit on your head, and small enough not to be on top of the part of the strings that you're playing on."
Ken I've learned that if you want to keep your thread focused, you have to return a couple of times a day to "groom" it.
We were all beginners at some time. Many of us remember starting. Some brilliant prodigies learned the fundamentals so early, before the permanent memory circuits clicked on, that they don't remember ever playing badly. To remind myself how hard it is, I sometimes switch hands; violin in the right hand, bow in the left hand, and I instantly become a day 0 beginner.
I'd love to have a left handed violin. Bad wreck 3 years ago left dozens of fractures, both hands. Need to balance therapeutic aspects of the violin. Docs splinted left thumb, right thumb was broken. Quite painful pressing the strings. Getting stronger, though! Plus, I'm left handed.
@Matt Lawrence said,