What is the bow hold Mutter uses?
Could anyone analyze what the now hold of Anna Mutter is? And who have similar bow holds?
With my limited knowledge I would guess its some kind of Russian bow hold, but not pure Russian.
Not sure I understand. Sure its her own, but cluld anyone analyze it, please?
After extensive scientific analysis, I have concluded that she does in fact use the Mutter bow hold.
I know you are joking with me
Years ago I made quite a study of bow holds of the masters, which I developed into a large PowerPoint with the best pictures I could find online at the time. Mutter's bow-hold seems to be nominally Franco-Belgian, but in all the photos I could find her fingers look spread out and her index finger has a tendency to curl around the stick. The reason people are saying "Mutter bow hold" is because it's really not easy to classify. The spread-out aspect of her hand, however, is something that I noticed being much more common among women. I'm not wild about making such generalizations but that's what I observed at the time. The big problem with studies like that, based on still pictures, is that it's hard to get images of bow-holds whilst playing because the bow is moving and the image will be blurred. (From the still image, you'd swear her hand was a stiff as iron. From her playing, you know that's not possible.) Still, I tried to use pictures that I thought were deliberately posed, e.g., for album covers and other promotional use.
It looks like personified franco-belgian, it is a little bit like mine I think :D I must tell my teacher when she dislikes my bow hold "this is Mutter bow hold" :D
Paul, would be fantastic to see your powerpoint, this is such an interesting topic.
If a top soloist chooses to adopt an apparently idiosyncratic bow hold you can bet your bottom dollar this is because they know it works for them.
Maria I'll have to check an archive disk for that powerpoint. I don't seem to have it on my "current" computer (which I have had for 8 years). I studied bow holds because at the time I was just "returning" and I wanted to improve my own bow hold. What I realized is that the best place to begin was basically the bow hold recommended in Suzuki Book 1, and then my teacher helped me adapt that for my own playing. My hands are pretty average in size and shape, so I have not needed to do anything unconventional. You need to remember that the shape of your bow hold is going to change, even if only slightly, the moment you start to draw your bow in either direction. Your fingers are a logical and necessary part of the energy-transferring and shock-absorbing system of your whole physiological bowing apparatus.
Paul, if you find it, would be super great.
I think that almost all advanced players end up with bow holds that are modified and personal. Every bow hold has strengths and weaknesses, and the geometry of the right hand (and arm) is dependent on body proportions, personal preferences in what kind of sound they want to get out of the violin, etc. That's also part of why we all like different bows.
Bow holds have some elements of teaching and some elements of personal things that are interdependent with other things, including hand geometry, playing geometry, etc.. Also depends on the teaching.
Here's a bunch of today's violinists (coming from different places) in pictures that show how they're holding their bow:
Christian, that is what confused me. I had thought that the American bow hold was the same as FB bowhold. I think that we were taught the American way and my bow hold is still that but my daughters bowhold has somehow unintentionally changed to something similar to the European FB bowhold in the 3 years she has played. So it must be that the shape of the hand makes these changes
See, from those five pictures I'm getting that the bow-holds of the men look more compact and relaxed than those of the women. The thing is, we don't know what they were playing, or whether the pictures were at all posed, etc. The women do seem to have more tendency to wrap extend their index finger and wrap it around the stick. I remember reading somewhere that a legendary player said he found that he extended his index finger less and less as he got older (I think it was Menuhin). I'll look for the powerpoint tonight. If you want it, send me an email (pdeck-at-vt.edu).
"The thing is, we don't know what they were playing, or whether the pictures were at all posed, etc"
This video of Heifetz performing Dinicu's "Hora Staccato" comes to mind:
Paul, sent a mail :)
Maria, sorry, can't help you with your ipad question. Anyone out there know the answer?
Paul, is this your email id, pdeck-at-vt.edu? My Gmail account is not recognizing the address. My email id is firstname.lastname@example.org. Please help.
Paul, I hope to see the presentation. Thank you!
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