No fine tuner on the E string
Having installed geared pegs, I took off the E string tuner. The E string now rings more and I find the response of my violin to be better.
I'd like to ask you if the E string strung this way is more susceptible to breaking at the winding just before the ball. I guess one could slide the small tube cover you get with the E string there but I'm not sure if that's needed.
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Same situation on the one fiddle I have with Pegheads geared tuners. I have not had any issues with the E string in the two years the pegs have been on.
Glad to hear that, Michael!
Geared pegs with no fine tuner on the E string for over a year with no string break.
I will eventually put on a set of geared pegs. Just busy right now with other stuff. But yeah, they eliminate the need for tuners which dampen the sound (especially those horrible two-prong levers—seeing violins with crusty pegs and four of those on makes me want to cry).
I left my fine-tuner on just for the heck of it but I'll take it off next time I change E strings and see if it makes a difference. Certainly I don't need it, but as a creature of habit I do find myself reaching back for the fine tuner when I tune my E string!
Paul, I got the Wittner's. The ratio (?) could be a bit smaller, but they are a joy to tune with.
If your pegs are in good shape (literally!) you shouldn't need a fine tuner for the E string; you should be able to tune it from a normal E-peg on its own. I currently have this setup on my old #1 violin, restrung a few months ago with a Walchar Amber set. No problems in bringing the steel E up to pitch with the peg - and it stays there. As JI said, without an add-on fine tuner south of the bridge, the tone rings better, as it does with a gut E.
Neat! I'm actually going to have geared pegs installed on my instrument after a chat with my luthier. (See my panicked thread a couple weeks ago about the slipping pegs.) Nice to know I can remove that fine tuner so I can hear what the E string really sounds like!
another one bites the dust!!!
Pamela, These pegs don't slip at all, my wooden pegs performed very well too, but I found I had to keep up on them more (and I'm lazy!).
The only way the e string would have more tension is if you tuned it to a higher pitch, sorry, not buying that one.
@JI, without going into the math (which I don't think you need here), if the following are true for the open E:
I sincerely doubt any historical makers intended you to have mechanical tuners!!!
Lyndon I think that's what Trevor was saying. I'm going to change my E string tonight anyway and I'll remove my fine tuner. Let's see what happens. I'm also changing the A string on my viola because Dalton Potter recommended I try a Larsen A. (Actually he gave me the string because I bought a cello and a case that day too, not exactly a huge sacrifice on his part, but still it was a nice gesture.)
Lyndon and Trevor, I figured after posting that the total tension would be the same but it's been a long day, that's my excuse anyway!
You might be noticing more tension with the peg for the E string because the tuner was offsetting said "tension" when tuning by pulling the string down into the tailpiece, whereas now the string is being pulled up into the pegbox. So it is not really more tension, just that you are noticing how the string moves into the pegbox now that there is no fine tuner.
I believe the Wittner pegs have an 8:1 ratio, which means fine tuning using only the pegs is trivial and very quick. Putting on new strings does require a lot of peg turning but this is just a minor annoyance.
Thank you for the information, Carmen! 4:1 sounds better for me, I could transfer these pegs to my second, practice fiddle, which doesn't get as many string changes anyway. It's not a huge issue, but why compromise.
That's the main reason that, so far, I've kept my fine tuner on my E string-- because I have PegHeds, not Wittners, and the ratio is lower. I've tried tuning with just the peg, and probably I could get used to it, but it does require a little patience.
However, Pegheds and Perfection are not available in Hong Kong. There is also no luthier providing fitting service for them... the only geared peg available here is Wittner (in ebony-colored plastic) and it doesn't really match with the rest of my fittings.