Bought the fiddle.

Edited: January 9, 2019, 4:51 AM · Maybe someone remembers my recent post on getting extremely emotional with a piece of wood... I was scouting for a new violin and this one caught my heart offguard completely.

Many people warned me against any rush decisions here https://www.violinist.com/discussion/thread.cfm?page=2373 and I took an advice. I let it sit and cool down for 3 weeks.

I visited the seller again with a violinist from Ljubljana philharmonic orchestra and a band mate (also opera singer), who is most discerning and technical when it comes to sound and production.

After a 2 hour test of 4 distinct violins and come 6 different bows we agreed that we found a gem, so I bought the fiddle.

Slightly better images here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1ZTv3bZvD2qc_T1uOz0NmZsCyLuU6clYE?usp=sharing

Any experts around that can at least speculate on the origin of this instrument?

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Edited: January 9, 2019, 5:02 AM · On one hand, those advices from experienced folks are sound advices. But on the other hand, who gonna judge you for how you want to live your life?

I had the same feeling every now and then when I think I found something really unique and treasure it, and want to share with the world, only to find the world disagree with you and seemingly rains on your parade.

If you feel happy with the purchase, and someone in real life that you trust agrees with you, thats all it matters, and congratulations! Enjoy your new purchase. Nothing feels like the exciment of getting a new toys we longed for!

January 9, 2019, 6:04 AM · Thanx for the thoughts.

And yes. The instrument needs an expert to set up the sound post (I set it up myself, so it's amateurish at best), perhaps a new bridge, although this one is playable and has a cool snobbish 'Tourte' sign on it. And most of all - new set of strings.

But it sounds - as my wife described it - Insolent, broad and in your face.

Bonus - I got an unbranded bow with it (whatever). I can not make an informed opinion on weather it's brazilwood or prenambucco, but it draws a bigger and bolder sound than my carbon JonPaul. It also seems to have a more vibrant and consonant attack and some richness in overtones that JP does not have.

As for the world raining on my parade - in the end what matters is if they can hear me in the back of the hall and if I have room to spare to do some phrasing - even better...

January 9, 2019, 7:40 AM · Tony, congratulations. And although I'm not a big fan of the aesthetics from the Maggini style double layer, this violin definitely does look beautiful!
I'd have the cracks cleaned and redone one day (a competent restorer will be able to make them vanish completely). Since you're from Slovenia - in case you were looking for a good adress in Central Europe, just leave me a PM.
January 9, 2019, 3:58 PM · Nuuska. Although I am not a fan of double purfling either - it kind of looks ok. The photos however do not do this violin justice.
It's flames are 3D. They switch shades of yellow, and brownish orange when you look at them from different angles.

I will first talk to mr. Musek in Slovenia about the cracks and setup, but if he turns me down I will surely contact you.

January 9, 2019, 4:21 PM · I like your enthusiasm and I do understand you perfectly. You're always welcome, and it's just a few hours from your place.
January 9, 2019, 4:28 PM · Happy as a pig in the mud! :) :) :) :)
January 9, 2019, 4:39 PM · It is great that you found a gem!

If you don't mind me asking, was the final price roughly the same or cheaper than the asking price?

January 10, 2019, 2:57 AM · Let's hear a recording!
January 10, 2019, 9:50 AM · Let's hear it live!
January 10, 2019, 9:50 AM · ... and also play it, hopefully... ;-)
January 11, 2019, 4:20 PM · I promisse I will. I have a set of fresh Rondo strings on the way (old ones are pretty terrible). I’ll do it in a studio with a proper mike too.
January 11, 2019, 6:18 PM · Some excellent fishing in the tributaries to Lake Bled. Slovenia is a beautiful country.
January 11, 2019, 7:20 PM · a copy of Brescian long model, with a sound post crack? How long is the body and vibrating string?
January 12, 2019, 9:09 AM · Regarding origin of the instrument: better photos would help, see https://maestronet.com/forum/index.php?/topic/333119-how-to-photograph-an-instrument-for-identifcation-purposes/

What Rocky says. If this is a longer violin - well over 36 cm length of back - value is less. Double soundpost crack that has only been glued from the top by the looks of it: devalues the instrument quite a bit as a good repair is costly. Hope you took that into consideration when buying.

January 12, 2019, 9:43 AM · Congrats! I would leave the set up as is, since this is how you loved it (even with your soundpost setting) so you get to really know the instrument before having a luthier "fix" it. Sometimes they can make things more correct, but it then sounds less good (or different). So glad you found your piece of heaven...
Edited: January 12, 2019, 11:04 AM · "I had the same feeling every now and then when I think I found something really unique and treasure it, and want to share with the world, only to find the world disagree with you and seemingly rains on your parade.

If you feel happy with the purchase, and someone in real life that you trust agrees with you, thats all it matters, and congratulations!"

Well, let's just be a little realistic: many people run out and buy musical instruments without bothering to educate themselves. And naturally, they get upset when their new prized possession is criticized.

I remember the day I brought my new violin--which "could have been Italian!" and had a great story "played in the Cleveland Orchestra for 50 years!" to my teacher in grad school:
"How do you like this violin?"
"I don't."

Not a good day, especially with amount of money I had spent.

As a piano technician, I run into this all the time: someone runs out and buys a piece of junk, often because it's old or has a nice back story ("my great granny brought it in a prairie schooner in 1871!) or nice wood. Then I have to tell them how much it will cost to make it play.

I have no comments on the violin in question because I haven't played it. And I try to be diplomatic when facing a poor piano decision in the home. All I can say is that one should do some research about what it is you're buying. Most people probably spend more time online researching vacuum cleaners or toasters than musical instruments, which they often buy on simple gut feelings or looks. Unfortunate.

Edited: January 12, 2019, 1:44 PM · Hendrik, there is nothing wrong about long pattern - some of them sound really nice, especially in lower register. I have a soft spot for those....
January 12, 2019, 1:48 PM · I played one for years, was about 36.5 cm LOB, I loved that violin too. But long pattern violins go for less than their regular size siblings.
January 14, 2019, 2:40 AM · Rocky: I measured the body length of the body. It's 35.8 cm. So the body itself is not really "long pattern". The fingerboard is about 3mm shorter than my other violin, however the distance between nut and bridge is about 5mm more. So - it feels very manly (large) when playing it, although the body is normal length and it's quite narrow.


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