Simon Fischer's Basic, Practice, and Violin Lesson books order and ideas on using those books
Simon Fischer's Basic, Practice, and Violin Lesson books order and ideas on using it
I'm an amateur violinist, and I have a professor that guide me using repertories from Solo for Young Violinists, Suzuki books up to 5, Wohlfahrt violin books 1 and 2, and other related materials such as Tone by Simon Fischer. However sometimes I want to do systematic study on my own that follows some kind of structured and/or progressive idea.
When I got Basic, Practice, and Violin Lesson; I realized that there is a lot of overlapping in its content. In my opinion and my level some of the content in these books are too much explanation and/or examples that are to advance or to short to make a study session. I asked my professor as everyone recommend in other posts but he does not have experience teaching with these books so he can look and choose things in the books on the flight that I can work on but that is not what I am looking for. I am looking for the opinion of people that have experience using these books can prescribe a recommend on where to start or how use this books by an student on its own.
Simon fisher have very useless descriptions on how to use the books and its relation in his websites(See a copy down)-(pardon me Simon you are still the best) and the "How use it" on some books is too general that can apply to almost every violin's books in the world.
If you have a recommendation, advice, or guide based on experience using these great books I will appreciated it.
Simon Fischer website extract:
Basics gives all the fundamental technique.
Practice shows how to merge technique with music-making.
The Violin Lesson goes beyond the headings of the previous books into other essential areas of music-making and violin playing.
Why are you wanting to structure your own learning, if you are taking lessons with someone competent?
- Fischer's books are not methods, they are resource books.
Acknowledging the useful comments already made, let's get to the heart of your question. You see that there is a lot of redundancy ("overlap") among Fischer's books, and you're wondering whether there's one book that's "central" (one ring to rule them all). This question has been asked in several other threads, and the general consensus is that "The Violin Lesson" is the "master" book. It is actually intended partly for self-teaching.
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Thank you Paul and Adrian for taking time answering my question with positive content direct related to my post. I am getting an opinion and an understanding for answers I got on different places and posts I have read that everybody like Fisher books but very few people use the books in a daily basis or deeper. I have not be able to get concrete answers on the used of these books based on specific content. Is like everybody ends shelving these books. As a contrast if you ask questions for any other book people are very specific and can contrasts etudes from a method to the other method, or order of use, or repertory books against other books, etc. Maybe is just because as Adrian mentioned these are not method books... however, I am leaning more that is because they are not commonly use. My argument to think that is based own my experience as professor in other area not related to music there I can recommend books that I have used not matter if they are Theory books and Practice books if I have used those books I can give specific instruction to students of where to look, there order and how to look on those books, but if I know the books content but have not use I ended saying just general things or just saying I have not use those.
I find that Fischer's books are basically the equivalent of encyclopedias on my shelf -- a reference. They are useful when I am looking for something specific -- for instance, when I know I want an exercise for some specific thing, and somewhere in his tomes will be a useful one, more readily found than if I were to search through volumes of Sevcik or other etude books myself.
Denis just one anecdote. When I started playing again some ten years ago I had difficulties with a passage that involved string crossings. I had just bought the Basics book. I looked up "string crossing" in the index: it had a subentry that said "bumpy string crossing". I went to that exercise and Simon Fischer explains exactly what causes bumpy string crossings, along with exercises for string crossing the proper way. That book compiled for the first time the large body of technical knowledge that previously was only communicated from teacher to student to student's student etc, a bit like in medieval times with handcrafts. If that book is not useful then I do not know what is useful.
Indeed, study books like Sevcik's do not tell us
I don't know whether Fischer is dogmatic or not in his teaching (I've only met one former student,) but he is definitely rooted in a tradition and writes from that perspective. He also has a large person bias.
Jeewon, (nice to read you again!) I find that if the mental-spacial-kinetic aspects are treated attentively, they can indeed be "forgotten" in performance. And when such preparation needs subsequent renewal, it goes much faster and better than the first time.
I asked similar questions a couple of months ago when I only had Basics. Since then I've read Galamian and bought the Violin Lesson, but, as Lydia says, they are now on my shelf for reference, and I hardly open them at all.
(Thanks Adrian! :)