Hi! My Pirastro Obligatos (D, A & E (my G is Eudoxa)) have been sound very scratchy lately. So, I thinked I have to change my strings, so I was wondering I could try Passiones know.
Can you all tell your experiences of those strings? Oh, and I've heard the Passione E doesn't match with other set, have you some E string recommendations with Passione G, D & A?
Maybe you should check out the condition of your bow hair first, before changing strings. But perhaps it depends also how long you've been playing that particular Obligato set. If it's 150+ hours, then time for a change, but still check out that bow hair!
I've tried both passiones and passione solo, and currently use the solos. The regular were a bit quiet and nasal on my violin. I use a Goldbrokat E.
Trevor Jennings Sorry, scratchy was bad word to that. I meant that strings (bow doesn't cause it, because I feel it inside of strings) sound is breakable, like "voice cracks"
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Solo can be a bit more impressive but less flexible. When I was experimenting with them, I found that medium-strong tensions of the regular Passione made more sense.
I've been using, in seasons other than summer, regular Passione + Warchal Amber E. Great on my current violin. Note that Passiones were dull and flabby on my previous instrument, so YMMV.
Samuel, I switched this summer from Ambers to Passiones, as I was looking for a warmer, gut-like tone. I wished I had done this much sooner. On my violin they have a beautiful warm sound with nice overtones. They actually sound even better when under my instructor's bow.
I am obsessed with experimenting on gut strings and I stopped using Passione because they feel and sound much less like gut and more like synthetics. Passiones have more metal content than Eudoxa because the Passione 14 gauge A string is 5.5kg whereas the same size Eudoxa string is 5.1kg meaning that the ratios must be different. I personally use GDA Eudoxa stiff in heaviest gauge, and a plain gut E. However I can definitely recommend you to use Passiones if it means you stop using synthetics :)
Once upon a time I was a big fan of Passione strings.... not anymore.
Hah, wound gut peasants! REAL men play on PLAIN GUT STRINGS!
Cotton, real men play on plain gut E, not that easy response steel E garbage ;)
I love your enthusiasm for plain gut, but I don't understand how you and Nate Robinson can be such staunch supporters and yet not use a plain E? Is it because of the sound, or the cost of replacing it? To me, the difference between a plain gut E and a steel E is like the difference between a synthetic A and a plain gut A. The synthetic A is so boring right? So why is a steel E also not boring?
Well, a few reasons. First and foremost, durability. Then response in high positions. A gut E takes a lot of effort to consistently play clearly, whereas it's kinda hard to mess up on a steel E.
I have said, in previous threads, that Passiones are closer to synthetics than to gut, in sound and in playing characteristics. And in terms of gut comparison, they are much closer to Olivs than to Eudoxas.
I agree with that. I like the tone of Olivs better; it is more malleable. But I compromise because Olivs rarely stay in tune during a 10 minute piece and I find myself constantly retuning in rehearsals. Passiones stay in tune for me for one or two hours under almost all conditions (humidity, temperature etc.)
Obligatos didn't work for me at all, and that's for both the medium and stark gauges. I know what you mean by scratchy. I don't know how to describe it either. It's just not that articulate of a string.
Cotton: completely understand re brightness + ease of response, but maybe you just need to try a thinner gauge like .64? Perfectly loud enough for solo playing, and controlling the sound in high positions is the best bow technic training one can get imho. Anyway back to Passione, you wrote that there is nylon in the string, where exactly?
Let me start by stating-please do not take any of the following opinions/personal experiences as an attack on your string preference. Perpetual or pure gut. Just make good music with your preferred tools, paying no mind to whoever doesn't prefer what you think works better for you and your violin(s).
To Mr. Dong above-I do not know if there's nylon, but he may be referring to the synthetic film covering the gut core of Passione strings, which I suspect is what makes their stability quite solid-and what makes them too expensive. They are silver or aluminum wound over a synthetic film covered gut string-just dissect an unused, old Passione string and it will be easy to see.
I completely agree with Adalberto on his informative post. When I used Eudoxa for the first time as a 16 year old kid, I couldn't control the sound properly and was quite disappointed. I couldn't understand why anyone would want to buy a string that is so difficult to control. 10 years later I completely changed my mind.
I use the solo version often. They are my favorite synthetic (because they play and sound much more synthetic than gut).
One thing to consider is that I was born in the tropics, and in the older days when there was no Dominant synthetic wave, people still played with gut strings. So I think most violinists just got used to the convenience of synthetics and steel, rather than "needing" synthetics for humid climates (otherwise one could say that "everyone played out of tune back then", which I frankly doubt was true.) Not saying high humidity is amazing for wound gut strings such as Eudoxa, but rather that some people still played well in tune under such adverse conditions regardless.
Adalberto: I live in the tropics. You are right, the humidity is not really a problem, but modern AC with dehumidifiers, are a problem. When you arrive to your practice place you arrive close to 90% RH, and during the next hour or two, it will go steadily down to 60% or so. The strings are changing constantly during those couple of hours. When I am at home, I don't mind to retune but in class or playing with others, I have to stop everyone, and never, ever, play an open string.
Go back to the OP question, I would recommend Larsen Tzigane E (stark) or Pirastro Universal No.1 E (medium).
Passiones are much closer to a synthetic in sound and behavior to a gut string. The gut string they most resemble is Oliv.
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