Fastest playing of 24th caprice by paganini
Hello. My name is David Krakovich, i am 34 years old and I am a violinist from israel.
I learned violin till 18 years old and was at pretty high level and performed a lot on local level in israel. And i have pretty good theoretical basis.
Then i went to different sphere of political science - and learned at the political science department at Tel- Aviv university.
Currently i am considering to go back to professional violin playing and i would like your opinion on my playing and ideas on how i can advance this (To whom to approach, Names of agencies, how to advertise myself, maybe some other help)
I am playing at very high, virtuoso level:
Pretty much all the difficult pieces for violin. and in very high speed.
My performances are among the fastest on YouTube:
The 24th caprice by paganini:
"The bee" by schubert:
Hungarian Dance no 5 by Brahms:
Czardas by Monti:
My YouTube channel:
Well, I should certainly like to play as fast as you, but with proper intonation and with a decent tone, without which I would be too ashamed to play in public...
Admittedly, I've only listened to the Paganini, but I've had quite enough...
I've listened to the first 15 seconds or so of all the pieces, which told me all I needed to know, namely that a lot of hard work under the instruction of a rigorous teacher needs to be done for the stated aim to be achievable.
OK, good bow control, but I would concentrate on finer intonation (minute corrections, even without vibrato!) and more "organic" phrasing in the Bach. The Albinoni is better.
I'd second the advice to get a good teacher. You are several years of practice away from being close to being at a professional level of playing.
You asked for advice, and here's mine for what it's worth. Your playing lacks musicality; it's quite dull (and sometimes painful) to listen to. The intonation in all the videos is poor, your bow stroke is not good, and your vibrato is too tight. Although your Paganini is quite fast, it's not good. I'm sorry to be blunt, but I can hear every note that's out of tune or hit at the wrong angle with the bow, even at a high speed.
All you need is an agent, and you'll have a great career playing over the top fast without any concern for the musicality or intonation.
David, there isn't much of a market for musical racing, although a few years ago, there wasn't much of a market for watching people play video games, so you may have to put together your own musical racing league. Only then will you truly know if you are the fastest.
Here is your competition.
yes, you play it very fast, but make a sound like you're punching cardboard. There's not much market for that.
David, these fools don't understand your achievement. Sure, Bach's Chaconne is a devastating tribute to his late wife when played in 15 minutes, but it's an absolutely Earth-shattering condemnation of the acceleration of the expansion of time-space when played in 30 seconds.
24 Caprice is not the most difficult piece for violin by a long shot. And you aren't playing the correct notes! And you don't even play it straight through-you clearly have cuts. And you don't play a consistent tempo. It's like someone riding a ski lift up a mountain then telling everyone he just climbed Everest.
I think you're all being terribly hard on him. David is doing an excellent impression of every first year music student who gets hammered and decides to try to play AS FAST AS POSSIBLE! Preferably while still drinking. It's a rite of passage! Enjoy it, David!
Menuhin here is playing with cuts:
David, most professional musicians aren't free all day to work on pushing their Paganini up a metronome marking or 10. We're busy preparing music for the concerts we're doing that night, and the next and the next.
OP isn’t a teenager- he’s a grown man, and a somewhat delusional one at that. I don’t feel the need to coddle the ego of a grown man.
My metronome goes to 11!
David, to be honest you sound a bit aggressive which doesn't really make me want to give you a link to my personal YouTube channel. However, as to your questions -
Just for the record:
You're welcome to ignore me :) I certainly never said playing Paganini 24 was nothing. It's a good achievement. I just thought you might wish to aim higher than simply playing fast.
"Show me how someone of you plays it, or any other thing- "Proffesional violinists"
I'm ignoring not just your comments but everybody's here.
Your recording of variation 9 has to be the best imitation of pots and pans during an earthquake I have ever heard. Keep it up! My friends and I all love your videos.
Can you show us how you or your friends play it? You are violinist, no?
If you want constructive criticism, here's what any teacher worth their salt (worded in a much nicer fashion than what most would actually say about this) would probably say:
David, I believe my advice to study under a teacher was constructive, in that, as you know, a good teacher will see and hear things in the student's playing that the student isn't aware of, and will know how to deal effectively with problems both current and awaiting.
The 24th caprice is not the hardest piece for violin. Lots of high schoolers can play that.
Ask Hilary Hahn, Ray Chen, or countless other soloists.
David, speed really isn't the thing, not in any of the 24.
You came here asking for advice on agents and self promotion, expecting that we would fawn over your immense talent. We *resoundingly* said- and by the way, v.commers never agree 100%- that you don't sound good on any of the pieces, slow or fast. You need to go back to fundamentals. Work on your tone, work on your bow arm. Work on your intonation.
Speed isn't everything.
1.Gabriel soloff - Thank you.
Here's how ray chen sounds when he plays something in 2x:
Why do you want to play it so fast? It is not pleasing to hear at that speed.
"Here's how ray chen sounds"...
You wrote ypu play "at a very high virtuoso level" and your playing is measured by that self-assessment of yours.
Whoa... so David *wasn't* sent on a legendary troll mission by Brett Yang and Eddy Chen? This thread was already the most gloriously funny thing I've experienced, like, all week. If no trolls are involved.... oh my god
This is the thing-
You said you wanna go on being a professional then of course we will compare your playing with a professional violinist
For example the 2nd variation:
David, I think you have gone the wrong direction in what music should be like.
David, you already have loads of confidence. That's good, but you also need humility, and as many have already said, you must be able to assess your own playing. Violinist.com is not known for being a place to get sugar-coated praise, and what you got from the people on here is a mix of real-life truth and genuinely good advice.
David can you lend me a little chunk of your blind faith? I could seriously use it. I think I might be better than I thought I was all this time. If I didn't always sort of think I sucked, maybe I wouldn't have SHAKY BOW PLAGUE!!!
The raw competiveness in the OPs remarks are rather off-putting and are as much a hindrance to any form of professional music making as are his bad playing.
We're being trolled.
The Air is out of tune, by and large, which is rather painful with these long notes.
"You see a person who isn't even proffesional now, and has a "regular" daily job and very limited time to practice, playing probably the hardest piece on violin in the fastest speed in the world, and you say it is nothing?"
David, as I'm just a amateur, I will speak to you as a member of the audience: I doubt if anyone would buy ticket to see you racing through the 24th Caprice like in your first link.
It doesn’t matter as much if you CAN play the fastest but the sound you make is unbearable to the audience. I can’t even hear notes in the variation full of down bow double stops, I can only hear the bow crunching. Also, what these people are doing is NOT giving destructive criticism (as you say), these are opinions given by QUALIFIED professionals who really know what they are talking about. Seriously, a reality check is needed. Having a great tone, rhythm, and intonation is miles better than just playing at a high speed. Why butcher such a piece? Playing fast is nothing without tone, rhythm, and intonation.
Let me too suggest something based on the comments here (and this is my last comment):
clowns.com sounds nice, doesn't change the fact though that you are not, as claimed, playing at a "very high virtuoso level". Not by a long shot. It's a pity that this (and not music itself) is the only thing you seem interested in, otherwise, with your general aptitude for the instrument, some good teaching and laying a solid technical foundation, you could develop to a very solid player. But then, as has been pointed out, it must be a pain to teach someone who is so convinced of his own grandiosity that he doesn't want to consider, not even for a second, that there might be some truth in what others are saying.
David wrote, "This site should be called not violinist.com but clowns.com."
Maybe everyone should stop feeding the troll.
Is this guy nuts or what?
I note that there is already a website called "clowns.com". It is dedicated to providing children's entertainment at parties and the like.
The following are available:
I wonder if Pets.com is available?
Just to get back on track for a while from the entertaining "clowns" diversion (thank you Chicken-nugget Lover for your apposite comment!), Scott said in an earlier post that "Paganini's music is steeped in Bel Canto Opera", with a clear implication of quality and clarity of sound. This in my view applies to Paganini's Moto Perpetuo, in which Paganini specifies the speed as "Allegro", and not an "Allegro Agitato" or "Presto" that the YT speed merchants would use for record breaking speed's sake.
Christian said: "David, these fools don't understand your achievement. Sure, Bach's Chaconne is a devastating tribute to his late wife when played in 15 minutes, but it's an absolutely Earth-shattering condemnation of the acceleration of the expansion of time-space when played in 30 seconds.
The problem, David, is that the art of violin playing may be stuck in the past, but the science of violin playing sometimes leaves us behind. You're probably using a Franco-Belgian or Russian bowgrip - Countries not exactly known for their contributions to tech and engineering in the last 50 years.
For the last time, you're so delusional thinking you can play the Caprice. Right now that piece is way beyond your skills. What you do in the video is not playing the caprice at all, you are destroying it.
@-D.K. Wishing to be both honest and constructive, useful:
...and Robot Violinist isn't using a shoulder rest!
what kind of rosin is best for playing very very fast? Do the gold bits in goldflex give you better speed or shound you paint your rosin red to go faster?
"I have decided to create my own style- classical pop". Knowingly or not, this guy is running rings around you all
Coke already brought classical pop back after people hated the new one.
I'm going opposite direction- I'm playing the slowest Paganini ever recorded. I worked on the first bit all day, and I'm actually typing this during the first rest. I'm going to have a little dinner, then the rest should be just about over and I'll get back in time for the 5th measure. Will post when I'm through, but because playing this slowly is so difficult (actually playing slowly is harder than playing quickly), y'all aren't going to be overly harsh, right? I mean it's really slow. You guys get that, right?
I rather feel that David would do himself, and others, a service by removing the soundtrack from all his videos.
I am sorry for all the previous, more thoughtful replies, but this easily appears to be a troll thread. The person in question is likely not real (despite the videos), and is probably laughing and mocking some of you from his almighty throne in front of a computer, somewhere in the world.
Though his caprice unbelievably sucks, strangely, I still believe David has the potential to do it much better. He's an advanced player after all. What he needs is a much better violin, slow playing, and a teacher who knows Paganini and who can help him with good music advice.
You sure you aren't jealous?
Some additional context:
continued-- I tried to be constructive, D.K. is either a fake or absolutely impenetrable, done with this. ~jq
I'm reading this thread for the first time. Apparently I was missing out. :-)
Not a troll but an old-fashioned piss-taking hoaxer school of Sacha Baron Cohen. Gotcha!
“You sure you aren't jealous?
I read almost the whole topic. Almost because after 10 posts it was just repetition. The OP posted a question, the group answered and then the OP ignored or got angry with every single comment.
The only thing that's more implausible than someone having a professional career playing very fast but appalling-sounding Paganini, is a comedian doing some kind of show about winding up a violinist.com comments thread.
David wrote, “you sure you aren’t jealous?”
this thread is getting excited and I keep coming back to check for any update.
Lydia: nicely played! You've inspired me to work on this piece.
For example, the bee by schubert:
yes David, yours might be faster (or fastest). I never saw violinist playing that fast. You're sonic-speed violinist.
Hello David, but those pieces aren't difficult at all. Any other more difficult pieces at very high speed? Schubert/Ernst - Erlkönig perhaps? Oh maybe Paganini's Moto Perpetuo? I read it somewhere that Paganini did it with an average of 11 notes per second, can you do like... 16 notes maybe? :D
"For example, the bee by schubert:
Chris - to me the most implausible thing of all is that, by arguing for the continuation of this topic, you are apparently getting something out of it. Do educate us lesser comedians. Or perhaps it was just an opportunity to parade your childish cynicism...
You can put szigetis "the bee" on youtube video on 2x ( 1.25 is more accurate, i agree)and you will feel as almost my speed.
Scott, damn it! If you think you can praise him more than me in order to secure a cabinet position in the Universal Democratic State, you don't know me and my potential for obsequiousness. When I am made Minister of Partying Down, there will be uppers for all, so that we can raise our vibration.
One world government?
You know that the EU is a continent!, yes? And it acts as on government in many senses. It is crazy too?
Anyway, thank you for the comments, despite it wasn't helpful at all, and even insulting.
There's honestly nothing crazy about it. A lot of centrally planned economies haven't worked out for various reasons, but if you look at the rise of different insane nationalist movements all around the world, moving people past nationalism and other meaningless tribal affiliations seems to me like a better alternative. Governments will need to work together much better than they currently do at least, if we don't want ALL of the poorest people on Earth to die in wars, draughts, famines, and from unsafe working conditions and toxic pollution.
When Mr. Krakovich emigrates to the USA and is elected president (a proposal he's made on facebook), he can play Paganini at his inauguration and the whole world will be able to judge in an impartial manner. Here on v.com we are clearly envious haters (except for Christian, though he admits he's angling for a job in the unified government). I do agree with Christian that Mr. Krakovich is entirely sincere. He absolutely believes what he's saying.
I know I have no business saying anything because I'm not a very good violinist, but this performance of the 24th caprice is not good at all.
Thanks Paul. I find it interesting that David didn't even respond to me. :-)
"Every problem that shows up in your fast videos also shows up in your slow videos"
Wow. I have nothing to say, really, except that this thread is at once entertaining and terrifying LOL.
Congrats Tim, we are now one. It feels good.
I suppose we ought to be grateful we're not discussing a YouTube recording of the Moto Perpetuo, in the light of my previous comment mentioning the speed marking that Paganini indicated for that piece.
"When Mr. Krakovich emigrates to the USA and is elected president (a proposal he's made on facebook)"
Owen Wilson said it best...."wow"
Am I correct in my understanding that the US President has to be a US citizen born in the US? If so, that would exclude immigrants (including putatively Mr Krakovich) from being elected to the Presidency.
Trevor, you are correct, but Mr. Krakovich seems to be an optimistic fellow, with a strong belief in himself. I do not think he will be discouraged by a little thing like the United States constitution.
For some reason I think David is like bait for the v.com dry humorists.
Not all members have a dry sense of humour......
Did anyone post this yet? :-)
Trevor jennings, again- you are cynical without knowing things:
And i seriously came for ideas on how i can advace it. I know that I'm playing at very high level, your cynicism that i don't know how to hold a violin doesn't matter to me at all.
of course a Political Science degree is the way to become a succesful politician. All of these presidents have a PoSci degree, that's a fact.
Herman west, you see that you talk without knowing?
Oh wow! David! You are playing in professional recordings? May I know which brave record company is it? :D
This is getting funnier and funnier.
Can't understand why people are getting so worked up about this but don't stop now. Righteous indignation is almost as funny as delusions of musical grandeur
I'm not trolling.
David has very high potential to be the violin version of Florence Foster Jenkins.
But you just play one violin!... And it's on your shoulder!
I think cynicism develops naturally with advancing age. Observing it in myself and in others of my generation and older, I'm not concerned about it. I'm easily old enough to be the OP's grandfather, but not quite g-grandfather.
Trevor, there's an old Spanish saying:
Carlos, I have a Spanish daughter-in-law. I must talk to her about that Spanish saying!
This is the original:
Serious suggestion: Since you do not believe us, I'd suggest you call up the teacher you previously had that you respected the most, and arrange a visit with him.
"I think cynicism develops naturally with advancing age."
I’m thinking complete troll here but it’s entertaining everyone. Btw “professional” is the way we spell that word in English.
Carlos - that's what they say here about socialism
Maybe if he's at such a high level he could use his recordings to gain entrance at Curtis or Juilliard.
Definitely a troll, Laurie!
Far be it of me to criticize the current President of The Earth. Although he might do well to ban metronomes, lest any plebeians such as ourselves call his sense of rhythm into question...
I still think he should turn his videos into B&W silent films, slightly speeded up, interspersed with subtitles...
Scott, if you were cynical in the 6th grade then what you have now all those years later must command a lot of respect!
I just remembered my friend Li Chuan-Yan did this long ago, must be not as difficult as the original...
" A cynic is what an idealist calls a realist" - Oscar Wilde.
Thanks for posting that, Kenny! That was entertaining. :-)
That Paganini performance was awesome. I thought to myself, holy cow. Very technical (a bit too technical) but very melodic. The audience's reaction says it all....whoa, holy crap.
Be it troll or not - finally I learned that the EU is a continent. After 23y10m10d being a citizen of this community. We never quit learning...
Am I the only one who *doesn't* think this is a troll? It looks like way too much effort and all the videos are uploaded weeks apart.
@Gemma and Laurie, David clearly isn’t a troll. He just fell prey to our v.com satirists who have been holding up their cannons for a long time.
Charles, you can't live like that. It's crazy. Whenever someone says something negative about a person, CAREFUL, that person could have mental problems and you could make him or her commit suicide.
The gentleman in question has LinkedIn and Facebook profiles, and seems to be real.
Not everyone is neurotypical; not everyone can see themselves as others see them.
This thread made my day. Its like a slow motion train wreck done as quickly as possible.
If he's innocent, I wish him well, but even if he was indeed the "fastest, most musical, and accurate Caprice 24 in existence, his "look how amazing I am" stance works against his efforts. Most good classical musicians (which must include highly advanced technique) have no need to boast online about their achievements, because they are sure of themselves. More realistic and humble posts would have been received much more positively by this online community ("how can I improve?" sounds much better than "look at how fast I can play!", to then dare others to "do better".)
Kenny, the difference is that Li Chuan-Yan actually proved his chops a long time ago, and even though his stage presence and other mannerisms are grotesque, he's also very creative. His jazz-improv variations on the P24 are very cool (if this is the same video).
And Li Chuan-Yan (whom I have not previously seen before) also demonstrates plenty of chops in that video. He's precisely controlled as he plays around with the music.
I didn't read everything in this thread. There's simply too much blah, blah, punch, punch. Matt Lawrence is right. This David guy may not have the mental capacity of a typical adult that we assume he has.
I think this thread has become rather ugly as regards personal attacks and insults.
I watched four of Mr.Krakovich's videos and was the first one to push the like button on most of them and actually thought they were pretty good. My advice since it is what OP asked for is to spend a year with a competent teacher polishing certain rough spots in these performances such as honing shifts and spots with intonation problems and other areas such as chords. With two hours a day of practice with proper guidance I think David can rightfully be where he wants to be, but without the proper teacher I feel he is just practicing mistakes over and over and it gets harder to correct them as time goes on.
Jeff, the OP rejected every single sincere comment, so we too felt insulted.
I think Jeff's words are wise and on point. We need to do what we can to make this a kinder and gentler world even if we are confronted with contrary circumstances.
I advocate for kindness and compassion, but please let it be known that that is what he initially received. Scott Cole, among others, acknowledged the ability that he already has and gave him genuine advice. Instead of accepting the words of wisdom with gratitude, he retaliated defensively. He chose to insult people here who were genuinely attempting to help, and I believe that is why this has developed as it has.
I posted what I posted coming from a "this guy seems manic" train of thought (I am most decidedly not a psychologist), and I just as easily could have not. Usually I try and leave the blackness of my soul off this message board, but I figured it didn't matter, since he isn't really reading any of the responses anyway. Maybe the kindest thing is to just leave someone like this alone, and I have no pretensions of "snapping him out of it", or something along those lines. Frankly, I don't understand why people keep engaging with him, or getting riled-up. My stance on the function of this website is that people who are ready to put in real work are going to make it happen no matter what (and are putting in work outside of this context), and that people who aren't will continue to use this website to shout into the void, and aren't generally that interested in actual feedback, although there are people here that know what they are talking about.
Without making any judgment on the playing, contact with a well-connected teacher will produce better advice on how to enlarge one's public than any internet board will.
I appreciated the irreverent turn this thread took for a while, but was sad to see it go to google searches into the OP's real life. I think what happens on v.com should stay on v.com.
Just a few thoughts from me...
Ok. I've recorded another version of the caprice:
The new version is much better ! Good job
David, I am your second subscriber on YouTube!
Thank you for the comments (the previous too, actually i took them very much in consideration).
quite a new rendition to the 8th variation...
"not everyone can see themselves as others see them...."
...democracy coming from a colonial state exercising ethnocide on Palestinians. Only on Planet Zionism is that formula conceivable. As for Assad, while I have no love for him, there's far worse ...starting with the Israeli racist colony that steals Palestinisn lives and land and moving to the Saudi kingdom of darkness that is murdering yemenis on a daily basis (and chopping up journalists as a past time) . But so brain washed are some of us by an implicated media...
Does it call for the dismantlement of zionist colonisation and institutions, the right of return and compensation for Palestinian refugees and their descendants, equal rights for all in Palestine (ie all of Palestine)?
You can watch this video to see what i think about these issues:
Israel is the colonisation of historic Palestine. That nonsense about 'almost 2 state' solution is no solution. What I mean by right of return..I mean I would have the right to return to Acca or to Haifa or wherever I and my family came from prior to the the 1948 ethnic cleansing committed by terrorist Zionist gangs who massacred Palestinians and burned hundreds of villages. The only fair solution is recognition of what happened and giving back the people of Palestine their full rights...not keeping 80% of stolen property to yourselves and calling it a solution. Zionism in all its guises (labour, revisionist, likud, 'left' or right) is antithetical to the base premises of justice and equality. The only reasonable voices that do want true justice that could come from that colony are decidedly anti-zionist anti-colonisation ones. On all of historic Palestine.
The Israeli- Palestinian conflict is one of the most complicated in the world and has a lot of bloody and problematic history, even now it still lasts unfortunately.
No its not a complicated 'conflict'. It a simple matter of settler colonisation. As in what happened in the Americas, in Australia etc. Zionism is an ideology of settler colonisation and population replacement that takes thousand year old mythology as its basis and some hocus pocus about God promising the land to a certain group over others.
*sigh* Tammuz, with all due respect, if only we can share our love for violin without too much of the colonists, the mass killings, the genocides, the blah blah.
Well, this has certainly strayed off topic, again.
It takes one side to colonize another, and one side to oppress another, Joel. And that side is Israel. The more the Palestinians discussed peace with the Israelis, the more the settlers came and stole.
I believe it because it was on Facebook, the only true, fact based source.
Please can we not do this.
Matt is right.
Personally I don't think humans can achieve universal state, even in its weak form, before 500 more years, but of course there are those who do. After all, we already have a big organization to represent humankind - the UN - which exerts some influence to participating nations.
You guys are exhausting. :-)
I am considering the violin playing too now, besides politics, because we have time till elections and in israel the new parties really start to format as the elections approach. Therefore i have enough free time to do it too.
Back to music-
It is worth pointing out that music performance and politics can reside in the same person at the highest level in both spheres - a prime example being Ignacy Jan Paderewski, prime minister of Poland, international concert pianist and composer.
Yes Charles, I admit i'm intolerant of murdering people, stealing other peoples homes and land, putting kids in jails or others with no due process, penning up people in a ghetto and committing ethnocide on an indigeneous people. Perhaps you're more tolerant because you're ignorant of the facts on ground or because theyre farther away from your cultural affiliation and brcause you don't think all people are equally deserving of their rights. Congratulations over your tolerance
Further to my note yesterday (today?) on the performance of Paganini #1, Christina has just left school and will very shortly be having auditions in Manchester, London, and Amsterdam - all places with stellar conservatories/music colleges.