Next piece after Bach E major VC

October 27, 2018, 8:29 PM · I’d like to give my teacher some suggestions about pieces to play next. I just finished Bach E major VC for the second time ( polishing and cleaning things up). She always asks if I have any ideas of what I might want to play and if it’s out of my reach or I can’t think of anything she makes some suggestions. What are some good pieces to play next?

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October 27, 2018, 8:38 PM · Have you done Bruch Concerto (in g minor)? I think at this point it would be a good challenge. Or maybe something like Mozart Concerto No. 3 in G Major would be good for you.
October 27, 2018, 8:50 PM · Ive asked her about Bruch g minor and we both agree its out of my reach right now. I think I asked her about Mozart 3 a few months ago and I believe she said it's out of my reach right now as well.
October 27, 2018, 9:41 PM · Perhaps the Haydn G major concerto?
October 27, 2018, 10:41 PM · Kabalevsky?
October 28, 2018, 1:52 PM · I completely forgot about Haydn. And, to be honest, I've never heard Kabalevsky so I'll need to give it a listen!
October 28, 2018, 2:44 PM · The problem here is the abundance of choices. At least as soon as you look beyond the concerto repertoire. You could try a Beethoven sonata (except the two last ones). Or any of Bach's violin/"obbligato clavier" sonatas. Or a whole selection of Haydn or Mozart string quartet parts.

I never quite understand the focus on concertos in violin teaching. It seems to me that chamber music repertoire makes much more sense for amateurs who are the majority of students most teachers will teach. Anyhow if you want to try a Haydn concerto go for the C Major: it is a better composition than the G Major and a bit more challenging technically. The G Major concerto usually comes long before Bach E Major.

Edited: October 28, 2018, 6:40 PM · Haydn G Major is very good. If you have played Bach E Major, however, then I agree with Albrecht that the Haydn G Major is kind of a step down. But, it's a great piece and if it only takes you a few weeks to do it, then it's in your repertoire, and you will learn from doing it. I agree further with Albrecht that the Haydn C Major is worth considering, however in my own experience it is comparable in difficulty to Mozart G Major (comparing first movements). Also please consider the Beethoven Romances, as they are very good preparation for Mozart. My daughter found Kabalevsky just as hard as Mozart. She did a recording of the 2nd and 3rd movements of the Kabalevsky to include with her college application (engineering schools).

I think what you're seeing here is the biggest problem with your teacher having you pick your own progression of repertoire -- you're doing stuff in a very non-pedagogical order. I suggest you make a list of the next three concertos or big pieces that you should do next, and ask your teacher to do the same. Then reveal, compare, and discuss.

What other salon pieces have you done? Meditation? Weiniawki Romance? Drdla Souvenir? Kreisler pieces? Don't overlook these. They're very good for you. They're especially good for a student who is not trying to become a pro violinist because if you're only practicing, say, an hour or two a day, concertos can be a real grind. You can learn plenty from shorter pieces.

November 24, 2018, 6:08 AM · Well, you could take this kind of approach: Say there is a certain piece you would really like to play, but it is out of your reach right now. Could be Mozart G-major. Then your teacher could plan what you would need to practice in order to get to the point where it is within reach. So the teacher could suggest etudes, drills and shorter pieces of music, whatever would be relevant.
Edited: November 24, 2018, 6:52 PM · I wouldn't recommend Kabalevsky if Mozart G is out of your reach. Depends on your strengths though.

Agree with Paul, Beethoven romances are a good suggestion.

November 24, 2018, 10:00 PM · I do love all things Beethoven. Would Presto from Summer be within reach?
Edited: November 25, 2018, 1:17 AM · OK, so since you've just done a lot of polishing of Bach E Major, I'm thinking your string crossings are probably awesome by now. You probably have a really solid hand-frame, and your fingers are primed for playing double stops.

If you haven't yet done Kreisler's Praeludium and Allegro, I think that would be a great next step! It uses a lot of the type of technique that you've been working on but pushes everything a bit further. Also, it's super fun to play so you'll want to practice all the time, which is the icing on the cake :)

Edited: November 25, 2018, 9:32 AM · If you don't already have pieces you really want to work on next, I think you should be able to depend on your teacher to make suggestions she feels are the appropriate next steps for you.

I think if your sight-reading ability is not close to your technical ability, it is time to make it so.

My limited experiences with a number of professional musicians has made it clear that there is a certain "musicality" these people have that makes "all the difference" in the way their music sounds. In other words, I think, it might be a good time to anchor down musicality at your current technical level.

Personally I think the Mozart concertos are a grand next step especially 2 through 5. There is a somewhat different (musical and technical) approach to playing Mozart than what historically came before and after. I especially like Mozart's 2nd violin concerto, which I did not discover until almost 70 years after I had played his later ones, it is absolutely delightful. Haydn G major is also a good choice.

If you have not played Vivaldi's 4 concertos in his 4 Seasons, it should be fun and have some stylistic similarities to the Bach E major. (Between CDs and DVDs I must have 2 dozen recordings, but I think the best is the first one I ever got as one of my first LPs 60 years ago. The recording has recently been reissued on a CD, available from Amazon as: https://www.amazon.com/Four-Seasons-Stuttgart-Chamber-Orchestra/dp/B005CP5O9K/ref=sr_1_fkmr2_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1543159649&sr=8-4-fkmr2&keywords=Four+Seasons+Import+Stuttgart+Chamber+Orchestra+%28Artist%2C+Orchestra%29%2C+Vivaldi+%28Composer%29%2C+%26+1+more+Format%3A+Audio+CD .

If you have done a credible Bach E major, I don't see why the Mendelssohn is not reasonable - and technically, the Beethoven concerto should also be within view.

I think the directions you take at this stage might also depend on your violin goals. These might be:

1. Moving into chamber music and/or perhaps orchestral or other ensemble playing, even violin-piano sonatas.
2. Classical solo virtuosity.
3. "Genre music" of almost any kind.


November 25, 2018, 6:11 PM · I tried the beginning of the Mendelssohn just out of curiosity. It's not to bad....until the octaves and then it goes to hell in a hand basket very quickly X). And my intonation on the high notes on the E string was iffy at best. I also tried a little bit of the cadenza and it sounded terribly out of tune, I'm not at all used to keeping all those fingers down and switching them that quickly. And, of course, Beethoven Concerto is my favorite piece, but I really can't imagine myself playing it right now. I think my teacher would laugh at me if I asked about it.
Edited: November 25, 2018, 6:45 PM · Mendelssohn after Bach E major?!
November 25, 2018, 8:17 PM · I agree with Paul that it would be preferable to work on a pedagogical succession of works, so you are acquiring skills in an orderly way.

I think it would be better for your teacher to present you with several options for logical next pieces, and for you to choose from that list.

November 25, 2018, 8:42 PM · Mendelssohn after Bach E Major would be quite a jump, but Beethoven concerto would be even more outrageous.

I agree with Lydia about your teacher presenting you with options and you selecting from that list.

November 26, 2018, 7:05 AM · There are studio rep list on the internet that you can view for comparison. Thats just a zero order starting point but seems better than what you have now.
Edited: November 26, 2018, 3:57 PM · http://www.stringacademyofwisconsin.org/resources/violin-music-repertoire/

This is Delay's repertoire sequence. If you scroll to the bottom, Bach E major is at the start of Group 1 (with Bach a minor - have you done that?). After it is Haydn, Kabalevsky and Mozart.

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