Pirastro Perpetual Strings Review
Hello together, since the old thread is already archived, I start this one to help collecting information about the new Pirastro Perpetual violin strings. I made a video review of those strings in which I tested the string over 2 and a half months. I tried to give you as good as possible comparable sound samples of the new string compared to the same string played 2 1/2 months.
I think this string is an awesome all rounder for professional violinists who have some kind of a bankroll :D
But on the upside of the high price tag the string lasts very long and keeps its initial sound-characteristics very well even after a lot of playing. So the price tag is relative when you think about the longevity of the strings.
tell me your experiences with the string and maybe you also have ideas, how I can improve my review videos. Here it is:
I can very much agree to this. Think it is like mid June when I put them first on, 2-3 hours per day, see no need to change them so far.
Yow! $170 on amazon.
I'm seeing closer to $100 at most places, David.
I have a principle about strings, that of course I doubt is the majority's view: any synthetic solution more expensive than gut strings is not worth it. This is why I do not favor Infeld Pi, and even the Passione/Passione Solo strings. Oliv are pricey, but at least they are gut strings. Do not agree with getting the violinist base to overpay for strings, as that will drive the price higher and higher every time. I would think the same even if I was well-off (I do not mind paying for gut strings.)
Hey Adalberto. I can agree to your thoughts, but the choice of gut vs. synthetic is not always about longevity or sound, but for tuning stability as well. With most synthetic strings tuning stability is a given. Even when the room or string temperature changes during playing or waiting for a concert.
Have you also tried Rondo by Pirastro? And how do these compare to EP strings that haven’t died?
The Rondo string is by Infeld and it is the next String I will put on my violin!
Just a verbal comparison. “They sound similar to xxxxxxx” or “brightness comparable to xxxxx”.
Similar in sound to a new set of PI but with more resistance to the bow and slightly less depth on G and D.
I'd describe the Perpetual as a very focused string. A lot of extremely good players I've run them by have really liked them. Someone who likes a "fuzzier" sound (like an Obligato) probably will not.
I also got a sample set a while back. I've been putting off trying them but maybe I should soon.
Some gut-core strings can be VERY focused (like Olive or Passione) if one gets the setup just right. The Pirastro Passion has an unusual construction much like the Pirastro Olive, with a fabric layer between the gut and the metal windings. I'd say the Perpetual is even more focused (probably even more than Evahs), but I haven't gone back and forth between all these strings several times on multiple instruments to try to nail down the exact differences.
I tried Pirastro Perpetual on two instruments. Overall, I like them and consider them a good “high-end” string option, and they are very different than anything Pirastro has currently.
It’s hard to tell much from a video, and so many factors are at play, but in Simon’s video, the sound color, evenness, and apparent speed of response reminded me of Kaplan Vivo strings. Maybe some of the newer Larsen Strings too. Very focused, even, brilliant, but maybe not terribly complex or colorful.
I hope they make a viola version.
Funny thing it's that we analyze every little detail of the string. Responsiveness, tension, balance, longevity... But in the end why we like a string or why we don't like, it's not always based in objective facts. Like wine, a holiday place or our partners...
I got a discounted set of perpetual's from Pirastro,(thank you Pirastro for the kind gesture). I put them on my C.1830 Jacquot and I was impressed by the concentration and loudness of the G, also the quality of sound on all strings. The D string has a bit more tension than the regular EP which I prefer to the EP. The A gives that freshness we all seek on the opening theme of the Sibelius concerto.
Has anyone tried the steel A? I was looking for a simple sound comparison, but only found descriptions of sound (which can be subjective of course).
I have a set of EP green with the Perpetual G on one of my violins...not a bad mix, as I needed to give my low end a punch on this particular fiddle. Anyway else mixing these two sets?
Hmmmmm Michael, what style of music are you playing? I find it unusual that one wouldn't want a fresh A.
Concord Music always has these on sale.
Erik, classical. Not sure if it relates to "freshness". Maybe a weird comparison: Sometimes eating corn, I have just a bit of taste of vanilla in my mouth. Sometimes playing on the A, I hear a bit of characteristic of a clarinet, and opposed to vanilla, this extra impression I do not like ;)
I finally got around to putting these on. Switching from Dominants with Goldbrokat E, I noticed the G and D sounded much more full and strong. A string was a bit muted, but better than Dominant's, and E was very dull compared to the Goldbrokat. Also had tons of whistling on the E as well. I will give them some more time to settle in. Overall, my preferred string set remains PI for my violin.
Ok, I want to throw in my personal analysis of these strings now that I've tried them.
But Eric, do you like them? LOL
Lol, david. Maybe I go overboard sometimes :)
That's an outsanding review, Erik. There isn't a question in my head about strings that you don't answer (except longevity, that I am sure you will update in this thread eventually).
I wonder how many luthiers look at these pages of our "reviews" and think "Well, maybe if their violin was adjusted for that particular string set they wouldn't be complaining about them". A good deal of having a set work correctly seems to be the adjustment of the instrument.
Erik, do you think they're worth their price (especially with E platinum) ? They're not cheap.
I used to be a big fan of Pirastro. What made me look elsewhere was a constant tendency to increase the tension and short life span versus high price.
Rocky, out of curiosity, what do you use now?
They probably do think that Douglas, but they should know - in this particular case - that I'm actually very good friends with my luthier and I visit him almost every single week, and consequently have an adjustment done almost every single week. I have adjustments made every time I change a set of strings, as well, to make sure I'm getting the most out of them.
Tammuz: Cantiga. The best deal for your money - the longer I use them, the better they sound! I also had a very good experience with Corelli Alliance from the same manufacturer - Salvarez
Thank you Rocky. Any specific guage?
Adalberto, it seems like Pirastro is continuing in same direction with gauges - they eliminated the light/heavy gauges of Obligato and Tonica violin strings.
What is always interesting to me is how different strings sound up close vs at the back of a good hall. I often notice a much bigger difference up close and under ear, and in the "feel" of the string as far as bow and vibrato response.
Cantiga: Medium light. (Medium is one notch up compared to Dominants)
A little more information, now that I've done more setup and sound adjustments on violins with the Perpetual strings:
@David and @Erik,
For me, it's the aluminum. I haven't tried the steel, because I've never played one I liked. Not enough "bow grab". But the Pirastro rep mentioned that Pirastro has been using some different surface finishes to enhance the grip on various strings, so maybe that applies to the steel A.
Same, Aluminum A with me.
Thanks. Usually, I like the sound of steel A strings but like you, David, I can't get away from the weird feeling in bowing. It distracts me a lot when shifting between D and A. I think that when I try the perpetual I will try both.
I also used and liked the aluminum A.
Talked to my wholesale supplier (International Violin) about these, roughly the same price as Evah Gold, which is well outside my usual price range, he said the Perpetual are VERY bright and make the bright sounding Evah Green sound dull by comparison, this does not appeal to me as I really don't like excessive brightness. does anyone else feel this way about Perpetual, that they are exceptionally bright???
Thanks for the review! I was wondering about these.
David Burgess, have you tried either of the Warchal steel A strings? (Russian-Style and Avantgarde) I haven't found grab to be an issue with either.
On the brighter of my two "go to" violins (a Strad model), I find the Perpetuals to be very full sounding and not overly bright at all. They are the best projecting string I've found for that violin. I also use the steel A with this set.
Lydia, I've tried the Russian-style Warchal, and found "grab" also lacking. It might just be a matter of getting used to the steel A's though. I'm accustomed to the grab with aluminum windings. (I also miss the grab on silver D's.)
I was told by someone that the Perpetuals seems to have the effect of darkening bright instruments and brightening dark instrument. No idea if that's true, but if it is, it might explain the difference between Paul Fehrenbach's experience and Lyndon's dealer. I would personally describe the perpetuals as more "brilliant" than "bright," simply because they have a brightness, but it's built on a foundation of depth. It's not a shallow brightness.
Erik, that sounds odd. For a violin string? I would expect smooth response to even very heavy weight on the string. The articulation of an accent is created by the bow, not by the string. If you're not getting a crisp consonantal response on an accent (or even the deliberate initiation of any stroke), that's an issue with your bow.
"The articulation of an accent is created by the bow, not by the string."
"I would expect smooth response to even very heavy weight on the string"
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