Bach: E- major partita: did we all get the bariolage wrong!?
2 sound images:
1st: federal competition in former Yugoslavia when just one player played the bariolage "as written", to the utter dismay of judges and other competitors
2nd: Ana Vidovic, guitar.... again as written, not as convenient, since there is no awkward string crossing. here is the link
Tap the rhythm and listen to your favourite recordings.... in my case Mullova (both recordings), Hahn & Podger.
All of them group the 2nd note of the beginning (bariolage) with 3 consecutive notes, and then the very last note is out of rhythm ever slightly, only to catch-up with the next group of 4. Both bariolages are out of rhytm and wrong notes are highlighted.
Am I losing my mind or majority of violin players took a short-cut and ignored the ink on paper?
Are you saying the first note of each beat in that section should be accented?
no. I am saying that, if grouping starts with the 2nd note, one can not possibly play all notes in rhythm.
That's the idea.
Jaap Schroder "Bach Solo Violin Works", page 168-169. writes about this.
Do you mean bariolage on 3 strings or 2? Can you either give bar# or a time on the guitar clip?
I don't really understand what you are talking about. Listening to Hahn, Pearlman, Kremer and Menuhin on youtube I don't hear anybody grouping the 16th in one-beat groups, let alone stressing the second note (which would be the open-E/A pedal point).
I think the beauty is that we'll never know for sure.
bars 17-29 and 67-79. My point is that, if a player starts with, or highlights the base line (on g string - 1st bariolage, or d string, 2nd bariolage), rhythm is affected. If the melodic line on INNER string is plated at least as equal, or a bit highlighted, rhythm is preserved.
I think you guys are WAY overthinking it....
This whole discussion makes no sense to me.
"They all tend to rush (deliberately or not?) on the way to the end of the passage.."
Whatever you call it, I didn't like it in any of the cases. I hear this downward sequence as a diminuendo, a relaxation, setting the stage for a nice piano to start the next section which is rising and almost unavoidably crescendo--and does have some melody.
One: Try with a gut E!
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