New Warchal Timbre string
Looks like Warchal now has a v.com ad for their new string, called "Timbre": LINK
This was alluded to in another thread last month: LINK
I am super curious to try them, when my current set wears out. (Amber E, Avantgarde A, Brilliant Vintage D and G.)
Anyone had a go at them?
I read Warchal's description of them, and found it interesting enough that I took advantage of their offer for a single set at a discount direct from them. Haven't received them yet. It's interesting that they intend for them to be sold only through violin shops, and they will not be coiled but provided straight like gut strings. Anyway, I can be kind of impetuous about such things. I have several hundred dollars worth of string sets sitting in a drawer waiting for me to try them. I guess I can add Timbre to that list now. ??
I also ordered a set, but it seems they are on vacation this week and will ship next week. I have difficulties understanding the reason for selling through luthiers only - my local luthier has a very limited stock of strings and is not likely to be stocking these new strings any time soon. I will report back once I get the strings installed.
I am a long time Warchal fan and very interested in trying these new strings but I highly doubt the few repair shops around me will carry these new strings as they are very limited in what they stock. If I cannot buy a set of Timbre convienently from an online store such as Shar or Johnson String I will unfortunately pass on them.
Also note the drawing of bowing suggestion for the strings. I think this taps into M.Warchal's ideas of about bowing method that he has previously alluded to here on v.com
I just ordered a trial set. At half off the price I could not resist. My local luthier will order special string sets so if these are worth it you may want to ask your local shop to order them.
I hope the string is a success, but am wary of the company following Thomastik's lead with the "luthier only" availability option for now. From what I see in NYC, few are willing to entertain the possibility of selling even the other Warchal options with any regularity, and likely for unfair reasons (bias for the "tried and true" options that will most likely sell better.) I *support* the local shop myself-just not sure *they* will support the brand.
Frankly I hate the "exclusive distributors" idea. Whatever is their reasoning, whether they're trying to help brick-and-mortar shops or don't trust the customer's competence to install such strings on their own, or something else, as a busy spoiled 21st century consumer who can buy what he wants with one click on the web, that adds one or more steps to a process that as of now could only be simpler if we had teleportation figured out.
I received my set yesterday and installed them last night (keeping the pirastro platinum E). They stretch quickly, but the promised 12 minutes break-in time is optimistic.
What about their tension/feel under the fingers? Responsiveness?
Is the E as whistle resistant as the Amber E (Thanks to advice on here, I did invest in Amber E and can confirm that it IS whistle resistant - It's LOVELY!)?
Anyone who tried it ever compare it to the Amber?
I did not try the E since my platinum E was brand new. But I am sure it will be quite similar to the Amber E in terms of whistle resistance. I have made my own spirals on other E strings and it really does the trick - even for an Oliv gold E!.
You can still order them from warchal.com for 49 euro plus 6 euro shipping.
Bo: very interesting feedback. I think my Amber string is similar in the first couple days too being metallic, but please keep me posted on how it goes after that. I ordered my Timber set but won’t put it on anytime soon as I just put on a new set of Amber.
On the question of break-in time, the leaflet in the package says:
Tammuz, luthiers generally use straight tubes to store single strings for customers who come in and just want, say, a single Dominant D string.
I received my order today, and they're in a coiled package, not in a straight tube. I won't put them on yet, though, since I changed my strings early in the summer (Amber E / Avantgarde A / Brilliant Vintage D and G), and they're still going strong, with the usual Warchal longevity. (If I'd been using Evah Pirazzi Golds, they'd probably need changing now.)
Thanks for the info Erik.
My set has just arrived, but I'm not going to try them straight away. They advertise a steel A string on their site but apparently it's not available yet. Does anybody know when it might be? I haven't received a reply from Warchal yet. I did use a Vision Titanium Solo A for a while this year, and enjoyed using it more than I expected, but my preference is for metal A strings.
Np, tammuz. I, too, love the Ambers. I only wish they were a bit more concerto-friendly.
Hi Klaudia, I just checked my spam and found it there! Thank you for reaching out. I'm looking forward to trying the set, and I eagerly anticipate the launch of the metal A.
In addition to making excellent strings, I have always found Warchal to be very communicative when I contact them. They are obviously not only string makers but passionate musicians themselves.
Today I had enough of the Timbre trial. I have some chamber music gigs coming up and will not risk playing them with strings I am not comfortable with. I replaced the Timbre with my trusted Oliv/Passione solo combo. The metallic ring did not disappear, and I the violin sounded a bit harsh and lacking overtones. The strings have had their chance to prove themselves and being played in with among other things a whole weekends worth of rehearsals on Shostakovich Leningrad symphony. But they did not improve.
Erik, what do you find non-concerto-friendly about the Ambers?
I’ve got mine on for a day or two now. I replaced tonicas which are my “baseline” string.
Lydia, in my experience they tend to start fighting back a bit once you get above 7th position or so with a bit of "wolfiness", and the power and focus in the higher positions isn't what it was in the lower positions. So not ideal for repertoire that involves both being loud and focused while also in high positions on the G and D. That is just my personal experience, though. And regardless, they're among my favorite strings.
I am only describing my experience with the strings on my instrument over the past two weeks. I have had others listen from a distance - people who have heard me play before - and I have had others play the violin for me.
I found the Timbre to be very powerful, much more than the Tonica I used to have on my violin, so opposite experience to Dmitri. The G is very warm and sweet. The whole set seems to introduce great amount of overtones, makes it so much easier to correct intonation.
Daniel, it’s funny how string evaluation is so subjective, given our opposite experiences. But the instrument and personal taste are major factors.
I have not had much luck with Warchal strings. I have tried Amber, Karneol, and Brilliant. They all had a metallic ring that lasted for at least a month on my violin whereas I have had no such issue with Cantiga, Kaplan Vivo, or Vision solo. The only Warchal string that I still use is the Amber E. It looks like I won't be trying Timbre any time soon.
Playing them since Sunday. By far the best strings I have ever played. Very warm, but having enough Italian grain and texture. Excellent set balance, enough power. However, it took four days to show their entire beauty despite the info in a leaflet. So far I have tried them on two violins, I will continue trying. I hope I will not destroy them by putting them on and off.
My amber set does take a while to stretch and it takes some time (close to 10-20 hrs of playing) to really lose the metallic sound and hear its core gutlike value.
The new Timbre strings sound intriguing, but will not try them as I will NOT buy them at full price, which after tax is nearing $190 CDN. That is getting on the very high side for violin strings. I would at the introductory trial price, but that is a one time only deal unfortuntely :-(.
Who knows what retail will be vs MSRP. So far they are improving with time for me.
I am so far liking the Timbre strings, after using them for about a week. They have rounded out in tone since I installed them, though lie towards the brighter end of the spectrum. They have a nice "grain" to the sound, with vibrant overtones, which I've noticed in several Warchal strings. The E is a real joy to play, and the synthetic A is one of the few I actually like – it's not too thick in diameter, responds quickly, and transitions well between the D and E string. I could do with a bit more volume in the higher positions of the middle strings, but the outer strings have tremendous clarity going into the stratospheres, and considerable power.
It's extremely difficult to buy Warchal strings in Canada. Shipping + duty for mail order will easily push the price beyond MSRP.
Kevin, are there no retailers in Canada that stock them? I've been getting mine here in the U.S. from Southwest Strings to avoid the shipping cost.
long-mcquade, the largest music retailer across all major cities in Canada carries online over 300 strings sets and individual strings combined, but only 1 Warshal string set and that is for cello, no Warshal violin strings. I don't know about smaller violin shops though. Ordering from Warshal means a 1.5x exchange rate + tax + duties + shipping :-(
I have ordered Warchal strings from violins.ca as well. They were excellent to deal with and I found shipping reasonable. Just mentioning for no other reason because as stated above these don’t seem to be a common place brand of string in most of Canada.
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